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Published Date: 14 January 2009
THE Orange Order has submitted plans to hold two parades in Midlothian this June after complaining that council chiefs took four months to consider last year's march requests.
Midlothian Council banned an procession in Penicuik last summer, citing fears that it could lead to public disorder. And a sheriff rejected claims the ban violated their human rights. Members planned to lodge an appeal but ran out of time, claiming that the council had taken four months to reach its decision.

Now the Midlothian District Loyal Orange Institution of Scotland has reportedly told Midlothian Council it proposes two processions – in Bonnyrigg and Penicuik – each with around 160 participants and a band, on June 27.

The first will start in Bonnyrigg at 9.15am followed by wreath laying ceremony at the war memorial in Bonnyrigg Public Park. The second will set off from Queensway, Penicuik, at 5pm. A wreath will be laid at war memorial in Penicuik Public Park before the marchers head for Penicuik Town Hall.

The requests will now be considered by council chiefs.





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  • Last Updated: 14 January 2009 11:01 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Midlothian
 
1

elayne,

14/01/2009 13:34:59
i thought this sort of thing was done with,it seems to be alive and well in all those wee toons though
2

Robin Bankes,

Culross 14/01/2009 14:37:04
#1 elayne : it seems to be alive and well in all those wee toons though

I suppose if one was unfortunate enough to be domiciled in either Penicuik or Bonnyrigg then the passing of a bus or an Orange Order march might be the only things left to brighten up an otherwise wretched existence.
3

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 14/01/2009 15:55:40
That would be a backward step to allow such a march. Loads of those marching have no idea why they marching anyway!!

they give you dogs abuse if you try cross the road.
4

elayne,

14/01/2009 17:41:48
#2 i can relate to that(i unfortuantly live in a wee toon,where if one farts,by the time one reaches the other end of the high st one has messed oneself)

#3 true,any excuse (again,its small town mentalities)
5

Scotcelt,

14/01/2009 18:29:13
Having been brought up as part of a (devout) Fife Catholic family, I obviously have some long-standing concerns about such marches. HOWEVER, I think history, tradition & ritual should not be discounted and that it is important for people to be allowed to express allegiance to whatever they feel is important to them. None of us gets it right all of the time & we can at least occasionally get it badly wrong, but it's good to be allowed to find all of that out in our own time.... The embarrassing hostility between Protestant & Catholic is slowly dissolving into something much more grown-up, but -till it does - tolerance on both sides must be the best way ahead
6

Plantagenet,

14/01/2009 22:30:36
I find it difficult to understand why anyone is interested in Orange marches nowadays, they should have died out with slavery, no votes for women, wee laddies sent up to clean chimneys and the workhouse. It all belongs to unenlightened past centuries, surely only small pockets of support exist today in Edinburgh. Who cares about a non-influential monarch being defender of the faith, what faith? empty churches everywhere. It must have got right up their blue noses when Tony Blair decided to become a Catholic, I wish he had done it when he was PM, that would have caused a bit of a stooshie with the bigoted Victorians in our midst.
7

Rachel. S,

14/01/2009 23:20:38
#5. I agree with you when you state that 'history, tradition and ritual should not be discounted' my job involves a bit of dabbling in history and tradition and I think it is important to remember where we came from -so to speak. However these marches are something else. They only encourage biggoted hatred -are outdated and should have no place in society today. It is true that a vast majority of those marching dont even have a clue what they are marching for? The little kids that they rope in for example? do you think they have a clue about the history? about the fight between two old Kings and two opposing religions? or what about the thugs that just join in for the hell of it? Do you think they know?
8

Scotcelt,

15/01/2009 17:31:37
#P1 What Tony Blair did is neither here nor there. Like the rest of us, he has made some good & some bad (very bad?) decisions in his time. What religion he has affiliated himself to is of no consequence. Don't you think a bit of gentle toleration with a decent splice of humour is the best way to demolish apparently insurmountable walls?
#7 Rachel, the best way to get rid of what you refer to as "biggoted hatred" is to show something of the opposite. I tend to adhere to the albeit simplistic view that hatred breeds hatred & kindness at least dissolves/reduces such sad emotions. Re thugs joining any gathering, I would, of course, take a different view...such people (whatever their alleged affiliation) should be dealt with in a very heavy-handed way by the authorities. The Orange marchers would, I hope, not want any such idiots spoiling their day & tradition.
9

Pro United Kingdom,

Fife 22/01/2009 16:43:26
some of these posts are so funny - you can read the bigots, sectarian dinosaurs/Nationalist mindset.

If Orangemen were blacks/gays or any other creed there would be no comments and no negativity or fingers pointed from your glass houses.

Orangemen parade to celebrate their culture/heritage - this is not a crime, 99% of them are Unionists, they oppose Nationalism/Republicanism. Let's not fool ourselves those that poke fun, dig dirt, throw stones are the people we should be focusing on.

There are more arrests at a Scottish Football game each week than there is at an Orange Festival each year.
10

Pro United Kingdom,

Fife 22/01/2009 16:49:38
What's further more I understand the OO parade to celebrate the freedoms of Civil and Religous Liberty for all - preferential treatment to none.

To me that sounds like equal rights for all mankind in a tolerant United Kingdom.

They are not sectarian, if anything the OO stands opposed to any powers be it political or terrorism that seeks to take away the freedoms that we all enjoy today.

I don't know another culture that would stand for these principles - most other cultures want world dominance and if they can't get it, the extremists blow you up.

11

Frank Muldoon,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 20:06:32
Well that’s a decidedly unbiased opinion from "Pro United Kingdom"

If the OO parade is to "celebrate the freedoms of Civil and Religious Liberty for all - preferential treatment to none", then can you explain why a member of an Orange Lodge is not allowed to attend the Wedding / Funeral / Christening of a Catholic? That doesn't seem particularly like equal rights for all mankind...

Don't get me wrong I am not simply "The other side of the divide"; I am not religious at all.

You can’t deny that these marches, from either side, only reinforce old hatreds that have no place in civilised society.

Religion causes more problems than it solves and it always has.
12

Smasher,

18/03/2009 13:07:46
These parades are brilliant. Grown men marching around like an American high school band. Ban them? They should put them on the telly after strictly come dancing or songs of praise. It would be funnier than most of the rubbish they broadcast. They could have orange order idol on a Saturday evening. The brightest uniforms and the loudest drums outside the local chapel could get you extra votes. Throwing the stick thing really high in the air could be used to seperate the bottom two bands in the TV vote. I'm e mailing the controller of BBC light entertainment to see what he thinks of my suggestions.
13

RDavis,

Vienna 26/03/2009 17:17:06
#5& #8
I am sorry for passing comment on this but as en ex Weegie and a Catholic I have to disagree with the sentiments expressed by #5. Glasgow has had a long tradition of Orange Marches. The hatred on the faces of most of the marchers is quite plain to see. It only serves to affirm the divide between religions.
PS I gave up my religion years ago, this comment has nothing to do with relgion & fully agree with Frank Muldoon #11.
14

Rolland,

14/04/2009 12:03:52
This will be a joy, 9:15 in Bonnyrigg, rest of the day drinking until 5p.m. and mass battles in Penicuik.

Lets hope the council see sense and refuse this, not in this day and ages do we need to see such baffons.
15

Rolland,

14/04/2009 12:07:43
#9

If Orangemen were blacks/gays or any other creed there would be no comments and no negativity or fingers pointed from your glass houses.

But wasn't William of Orange a Gay anyway ?

So is it really OO or just an old fashioned gay pride march ?
16

Sally Longlegs,

edinburgh 23/04/2009 16:21:06
#15 Rolland. William was married to Mary in the history books I read. Now bonnie prince charlie on the other hand. Now that was gay. Ask Billy Connolly.
And are you related to the rat by any chance?
17

skinny # 7,

springfield 21/05/2009 00:17:00
#9 you are probably right,for example Rangers v Celtic.But then again its a bit of the same dont you think.Here here #11...
18

jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 24/06/2009 03:34:51
Always enjoyed the Orange Walk when I lived over there.

The bands were terrific.As long as you pay no attention to the words of a lot of the songs they are brilliant same with a lot of the Irish Rebel songs great tunes jist the words are pi#s.

King Billy was not gay.
19

jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 24/06/2009 03:37:12
pro united kingdom

If you really believe what you have posted get treatment ASAP.Only a bigot could write that sh#t
20

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 10/09/2009 16:27:54
Why are marches solely and specifically designed to perpetuate hatred and to instil fear in others allowed?

21

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 10/09/2009 16:32:56
#9 >If Orangemen were blacks/gays or any other creed there would be no comments and no negativity or fingers pointed from your glass houses.

The difference is that people don't turn themselves into blacks or gays specifically to humiliate and frighten whites and straights and drive them out of their homes and out of the country.

Orangemen aren't born. They are born as ordinary human beings (?) who then choose of their own free will to join Orange Lodges because they hate Catholics and want to make them suffer.
22

Nick Nick,

Edinburgh 14/12/2009 13:17:47
Bin the marches - the cost in policing etc. is reason enough, never mind the questionable roots of the OO.

 

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