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Published Date: 30 December 2008
THE ownership of Scotland is undergoing a revolution as vast swathes of land are bought from wealthy aristocrats by local communities.
An investigation by The Scotsman into who owns Scotland has revealed large areas of the country are now in the hands of the people.

Dozens of areas, from whole islands, to small green spaces, have been bought by community ventures. This week, Th
e Scotsman will reveal the results of an investigation to find the 20 biggest landowners in Scotland, between them responsible for almost a fifth of the country.

It shows aristocrats and government bodies still dominate ownership of the country, but communities and charities are increasing their control.

At No11 is South Uist Estate Ltd, a community venture which owns 93,000 acres of land, including the islands of Benbecula, Eriskay and South Uist.

It is the most successful example so far of Holyrood's Land Reform Act of 2003, described by some as the devolved government's most significant piece of legislation to date.

The act gives community groups first refusal on land which comes up for sale, with the idea that areas would be transferred from the aristocracy and property speculators to people who live and work locally.

Iain Gray, the leader of the Scottish Labour Party, was instrumental in the legislation, and said it had "transformed Scotland".

"Arguably, it was legislation that Scotland had waited 1,000 years for," he said.

"Over the course of time, it will change the face of Scotland. It is fundamental. In many ways, the history of Scotland has been defined by the ownership of the land itself."

He added that giving communities the rights to ownership brings "profound" change.

"It springs from the fundamental principle that the people who live and depend on the land will have their own best interests at heart in the ways it is used, so that they are far less likely to use it in a way that would be damaging."

The Isle of Eigg was one of the first areas to be bought by a community trust, in 1997. Already, the Isle of Eigg Heritage Trust has made huge advances, and has even set up a company providing mains electricity to islands for the first time in its history.

Mr Gray said: "They pulled together. They had a series of owners who had failed the community for different reasons and the legislation gave them the opportunity to take control of the land themselves.

"It has made a big difference to their lives and the sense of control over how they live."

So far, about 1 per cent of the 19 million acres of land in Scotland has passed into the control of local communities, ranging from small areas of forest, to large islands. However, Mr Gray said he believed the laws would see far more land pass into the hands of the people.

"I think what we have seen is just the start, but it is difficult to predict how far it will go. Obviously, the right to community purchase does depend on a willing seller."

Alasdair Allan, the Nationalist MSP for the Western Isles, said that putting the land into the control of the people was helping to rejuvenate communities.

The majority of the land in his constituency is now under community ownership.

"It has made a big difference," he said. "It gives power to communities to change things. If you have a landlord who's not interested, it's very difficult. It makes a big change to people's self-confidence.

"If you suddenly give them control of the land, they have the opportunity to build new houses, establish new businesses and it encourages them to stay there. It just gives people control over their own lives."

Over the years, notorious landowners have made life miserable for their tenants. The island of Gigha, a 3,400-acre island off Kintyre, was bought by a community trust in 2001, putting their destiny in their own hands for the first time. It was once owned by disgraced lord Malcolm Potier who was convicted of trying to recruit a hitman to murder the mother of his child and her boyfriend.

Parts of Rasaay, near Skye, were owned by Sussex-based laird Dr John Green, who visited the island only once.

Meanwhile, after decades of problems with absentee landlords, the Isle of Eigg was bought in 1997 by the Isle of Eigg Heritage Trust. The island's population has thrived since it went into community ownership and, earlier this year, a mains electricity grid was built, powered entirely from renewable sources. It meant that the island was served by mains electricity for the first time.

More than 17,000 acres of the Knoydart Estate, which makes up much of the Knoydart peninsula in Lochaber, on the west coast of Scotland, was bought by the community in 1999.

In June 2005, the community of Assynt bought 44,400 acres in a landmark buyout of the Glencanisp and Drumrunie Estates in Sutherland, in the north-west Highlands. The land, which includes magnificent mountains such as Suilven and Canisp, was bought from the Vestey family under the provisions of the 2003 Scottish Land Reform Act.

And residents on the Isle of Rum are preparing to take over control of their island early next year. Michael Russell, the environment minister, has announced the Scottish Government is ready to transfer the land and assets worth around £250,000 to the community from Scottish Natural Heritage.

The transfer of the community hall, village shop and tearoom, campsite and surrounding land to the Isle of Rum Community Trust will take place after February, providing there is a positive vote from the community early next month.

BACKGROUND

THE Scotsman carried out its investigation to reveal who owns Scotland, and how this has changed in recent years.

With the help of historian Andy Wightman, we identified the 20 biggest landowners in the country. Mr Wightman wrote Who Owns Scotland in 2000, based on research covering 51 per cent of the country, through the help of Land Registers Scotland. He is updating his work to cover 75 per cent of the country.

Over the past eight years, the top 20 has changed, partly due to the death of some property giants such as Edmund Vestey, whose vast wealth was based on the family meat business.

Before he died, he sold off about half of his 84,000 acres to a community ownership group, talking his family out of the top 20.

16 Scottish Natural Heritage – 84,000 acres

SCOTTISH Natural Heritage (SNH) is a quango set up under the Natural Heritage (Scotland) Act 1991 to manage and protect vast tracks of land and wildlife across the country.

Following devolution it became directly responsible to the Scottish Government. As well as being responsible for environmental protection, SNH also has an economic role. Around 93,000 jobs are dependent on it and it has generated an estimated £2 billion for the Scottish economy, mainly through tourism.

SNH's biggest responsibility is for Scotland's 71 National Nature Reserves (NNRs) which cover 328,650 acres. These were set up in 1949 along with the National Parks in England and Wales to protect the environment wildlife and heritage of the areas and they can be found from Hermaness at the tip of Shetland in the north to Caerlaverock, Dumfriesshire, in the south.

SNH owns only some of them outright; others are leased and some run through agreements with landowners. SNH owns nearly 100 per cent of the land on 17, more than 50 per cent on six, and less than 50 per cent on 11.

A full list of reserves owned and managed by SNH is on www.snh.org.uk.

17 Fleming family – 80,000 acres

THE bulk of the Fleming family's property is the spectacular Black Mount Estate in Argyll and Bute, known for skiing, climbing and picturesque walks.

The most famous member of the family is Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond, but the family's fortune was based on its private bank – Robert Fleming & Co, which was sold to the Chase Manhattan Bank in 2000.

Several branches of the family were involved with the bank, but its patriarch for many years was Robin Fleming, who was down as the official owner of the Scottish estate.

Ian Fleming was not the only successful writer in the family. There is a monument on the estate in memory of Peter Fleming, the travel writer and brother of Ian.

The estate hit the headlines in March 2008 when a mystery skeleton was found in the Auch Forest, near Bridge of Orchy. It was noticed by forestry workers creating a scenic path.

The estate is also known for falling on one of Britain's best-loved long-distance walks, the West Highland Way, which runs from Milngavie to Fort William.

The Fleming family has used the area's natural assets to turn its estate into an attraction for lovers of outdoor pursuits.

18 Charles Pearson – 77,000 acres

THE Hon Charles Pearson owns the Dunecht Estates, spread over thousands of acres in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire, and managed from Dunecht village.

He runs the shoots on the Cowdray Estate in Sussex, where he spends much of his time, living at Shotters Farm, Lickfold, near Petworth.

The aristocrat has hit the headlines for infuriating animal rights campaigners for allegedly allowing snaring on his estates, and he was named as the UK's most cruel landlord by the National Anti-Snaring Campaign (NASC).

The NASC has alleged that on Dunecht there is a "ruthless persecution of foxes" with a "keepers sweep competition for killing the most in a day". Police were called in after a badger was allegedly found dead in a snare on the Dunecht estate.

Snaring has been a more fiercely fought issue in Scotland than south of the Border, partly because landowners with large shooting estates, such as Mr Pearson, dominate the landscape more than they do in England, and practices on Dunecht Estates have been used to back a ban.

However, campaigners in Scotland have so far not succeeded. The SNP has caused anger among campaigners by not supporting a complete ban, although Mike Russell, the environment minister, has instituted some strict regulations.

19 Lord Margadale – 73,000 acres

THE current Baron Margadale is Alastair Morrison, who inherited the family estates in 2003. He owns tracts of property in England, too, but his main estate north of the Border is one of Scotland's jewels – the island of Islay, where some of the most renowned whisky is distilled.

In 1853 the family bought the island, including Islay House, built in 1677 and one of the most impressive aristocratic piles in Scotland. It became a holiday home for the Morrison family and a visiting place for almost every prime minister until Harold Wilson.

The family sold the house in 1985 and it is now owned by Tom Friedrich, a former US fighter pilot, but Lord Margadale still owns the island.

The first Lord Margadale was John Morrison, chairman of the 1922 Committee and a member of the Magic Circle which ensured Alec Douglas-Home became leader of the Conservative Party and prime minister, succeeding Harold Macmillan in 1963, instead of Rab Butler, who had been expected to take over.

The machinations led to the Tories reforming and allowing MPs to elect their leader, rather than one simply being appointed by the Queen. There were suspicions that the first Lord Margadale was elevated to the House of Lords out of gratitude from Douglas-Home.

20 Tycoon Mr X – 71,000 acres

TOURISTS going to the famous Queen's View beauty spot in Glen Avon, Moray, where Queen Victoria used to look down on her Royal estate, now see land owned by the Andras Conglomerate based in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

In reality, the conglomerate is a front for a mysterious and reclusive Malaysian-based businessman, who has never been identified, but is known in his estates as Mr Salleh.

The estate is the largest part of the 70,000 acres of land he now owns in Scotland and is well known still for its shooting parties. The businessman bought the 40,000-acre Glenavon estate, once owned by the Wills family, for £6 million in 1995 and has increased his holding since.

The second secretive businessman's estate is the 30,000-acre Braulen estate around Glen Strathfarrar in the North-west Highlands in Inverness-shire.

This slightly smaller estate was the scene of a legal battle over land access. The businessman took Scottish Natural Heritage to court to prevent the agency sending in nature conservation inspectors on parts of the land it is responsible for.

Mr Salleh is said to visit his estates from Malaysia two or three times a year.



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  • Last Updated: 30 December 2008 12:29 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 00:05:49


Hmmm! What about Mr Trump? and the Arabs that were going to purchase 'Princes Street in Edinburgh!

All very well and good! but at end-off-day, we sold out to Mr Brown!

None the point in the feeling of 'Smug'!


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30/12/2008 00:06:59
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 00:13:38
For Those with a Short Memory, take a neb!



Princes ransom as oil-rich Arabs target iconic street for £1.35bn


Street value: the Crown Prince of Dubai, with his wife Princess Haya bint al–Hussein, may be among wealthy Arab investors with their eye on Princes St. Photograph: AFP

« Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryADVERTISEMENTPublished Date: 24 February 2008
By Murdo MacLeod and Jeremy Watson
IT MAY not mean the first Scottish souk or camel racing in the gardens, but oil-rich Arab investment funds are in talks about buying up the whole of Princes Street.
City councillors who want a world-class redevelopment of Scotland's most famous shopping thoroughfare have been in contact with "sovereign" funds from countries such as Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, which have billions of pounds of surplus oil revenues to invest.

Iconic global locations such as Edinburgh's Princes Street, already a magnet for well-heeled tourists from around the world for its mix of big-brand department stores and unrivalled views, are high on their shopping list.

A takeover of the whole street would reduce the number of owners and help the City of Edinburgh Council towards its goal of turning it into a world-class attraction. Properties with some of the best views in the capital are used as store-rooms when they could be shops, restaurants and cafés.

The street is home to famous names such as Jenners, Marks & Spencer, and a host of other high-street chains, as well as smaller shops and offices. It also hosts the New Club, the city's most prestigious private members' club.

Estimates of the value of the street range up to £1.35bn, effectively small change for the funds. Tom Buchanan, the council's economic development leader, said: "There are people talking to us with access to sovereign funds. They have large amounts of wealth.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 00:15:34

Full Article!


http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Princes-ransom-as-oilrich-Arabs.3809951.jp



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30/12/2008 00:16:47
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 00:17:31


So what was the hope for BOS or the later HBOS?

Correct!, None Absolutely None!


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 00:20:49


Scott.Webb 5,

Stop being a,..'Bad Boy'! :)

Or you could write 1,000,000.

Saying your sorry!

:)

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/12/2008 00:24:47
Broon owns Scotland - until the next general election at least.

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 00:30:28

Jock ~8,

'Aye' Correct! Delusions, Purchased from the Money stemming from the, Bank of England.


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30/12/2008 00:37:43
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 00:59:11


Scott.Webb ~10,,,

You are NOT Politically Corrected yet!

But Don't Worry!

I have you injections at the ready, and this,..

....'Electrode Helmet', to go onto your heed!

Courtesy of the Scotsman News!

I am told you need your 'treatment' Quick!

Soo there's 'A-Good-Boy',....

..."Come-to-Daddy"!! :D

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I say some 'Hairy Stuff' but I recon, I have a 'Fan-Club'! :(

Never have I had detention yet!

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Lurking from home,

30/12/2008 01:01:52
sCOTTwEB,

tIGHT IS NOT TIGHT ENOUGH FOR THE suppressors OF fREE sPEECH
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Jimmy Twoshoes,

30/12/2008 01:03:09
Probably banned for actually paying attention to Crackhead Charlie's grammar.

Did you ever go to school/read a book Mr Limescale?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 01:04:27

I think we also need,.."I can see for Miles", for him to get his treatment also, looks like he is doing,..

..."Detention".

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 01:10:12


Jimmy Twoshoes ~13,,

,,,'Ha-Ha',....'Very-Funny'!

It is my 'Uniqueness', That Keeps the 'Fans' rolling-in!

Never Mind the,..."Grammer"

BTW! Scotland!, must of 'Failed Me' if you think that!


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Jimmy Twoshoes,

30/12/2008 01:15:01
You are correct in thinking I find you amusing, but more in the way watching a slightly overweight woman running for a bus and missing it is funny (not that I've ever laughed at such things). Whatever floats your boat though.

Having said that, on reading post 11 it seems to be getting men (boys?) to call you daddy.....
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Fifi la Bonbon,

30/12/2008 01:16:43
Scott Webb - you're that one that kept putting up links to youtube videos rather than making an comments, aren't you? They were mostly conspiracy films saying how we're all being controlled by lizard people, if I recall correctly.
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FerryPort,

30/12/2008 01:37:53
Trump. Gie him the bump
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FerryPort,

30/12/2008 01:39:19
Onyday
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 02:03:09


Fifi la Bonbon ~17,

You are correct! it is his too many "Links" me thinks!

A Journey into the unknown!

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Jimmy Twoshoes ~16,

You To,..."Come to Daddy", once after dealing with,...

.... "Scott.Webb", I am sure I will have enough, money in the meter, to accommodate your treatment also :)

A couple off 'Zaps' and you will be feeling better! :)


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30/12/2008 02:27:46
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Irish by berth British by choice,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 02:36:44
We have shares in Govan (Edminston Road, thats in G/g just aff the M8) but if things dont improve we will have to sell at a big loss. Anyway Scotland belongs to the UK of GB and NI (its on the front of yer passport).
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 30/12/2008 02:52:46
The only way Scotland will rid it'self of the foreign paria is to vote for INDEPENDENCE in OUR REFERENDUM in 2010. Oh and what about the MOD who bomb the -hit out of Scotland every year.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 03:00:57


'Yeah Yeah'! The Picture Gives, many stories!

Our HBOS!, Says Mountains!


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30/12/2008 03:25:41
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terry osser,

morden 30/12/2008 05:09:21
mugabe is doing the same in rhodesia
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terry osser,

morden 30/12/2008 05:15:07
where does the money come from to purchase the land?
28

donald,

glasgow 30/12/2008 05:39:12
England owns Scotland
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 07:06:33
The thing is it is fine and well ahnding grants out for land grabs. But unfortunately the Western and rural highlands has had most Scots cleansed by checkbook into Inverness over the past 20 years. Leaving rich surrey and englanders to profit. Not an anti English statement just a fact of the highlands. Who could live their on a Scottish wage and expect to get the wage too attain a mortgage for 250000? Fair enough on the English and other nationaliities, their just flexing economic muscle and buying their own piece of a relatively sparse part of the country. They can sell their london shoe box and still outbid even the richest of locals.Unfortunately they do not seem or want to allow other indigenous scots to share in the same.

If anyone doubts my words look at places like :

Gairloch, Kinlochewe, Strontian, achnasheen, blair atholl, Pitlochry, Skye, Most of the islands, most of the highlands that are rural.
The incomers outnumber the locals large and overly unfair margin.


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drunken proffet,

Tassy 30/12/2008 07:14:35
I remember when the salmon started moving up the River Almond at Cramond. You got in there for a bit of free salmon fishing until the local landlord, maybe Lord Primrose, not too sure, sold out to a community group. All of a sudden we were thrown off and them and their mates had the privileges. Ever since then, I have preferred the Saudis, the Dutch, English and the odd Russian. Just shows you, eh!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

30/12/2008 07:27:23
#28, #30, you're right, these English are fierce ones for buying up bits of Scotland.

They all have money coming out of their ears, and nothing would suit them but to see a castle or the like they would fancy and buy it up for their children as a playhouse, jocose as you like, putting honest Scots chiels onto the street, for it's well known that all these English are very wealthy and genteel, and live in fancy houses in Surrey and the like which they can sell for several million pounds at the drop of a hat.

If only there was an honest politician who could protect us from their depredations, at all at all!
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Martyk,

30/12/2008 08:47:57
The Min of Defence and the english monarchy own great swathes of Scotland.Plus landed gentry who have little connection to Scotland really. Huntin and fishin you know.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 30/12/2008 09:04:22
Long may this trend continue but I wouldn't bank on it given the SNP's "policies".
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Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Downunder 30/12/2008 09:11:37
The Monarchy, the Aristocrats and the Gentry in the majority of cases never owned any of the Hameland, they stole it !!!!! the same way they did in Ireland and then charged rent for land that was never theirs, NEVER FORGET "THE CLEARANCES" My family won't!!!!!
Here in Australia the Aborigines are bit by bit are getting back title for what is rightfully theirs.
The English Monarchy gave away Scottish land for favours done by traiters.



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Road to the isles,

30/12/2008 09:19:54
"Vast swathes" turns out to be 1% in community hands. Got to do better than this Scotsman or you'll get done under the Sale of Goods Act as not fit for purpose. Surprised it hasn't happened already.
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The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 30/12/2008 09:20:37
Its quite common for esates to be owned by conglomerations from other countries.

Look at Finland , norway , sweden, EG your peers.

All very normal. "The people" never did and never will own the land.
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The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 30/12/2008 09:24:44
Regarding low highland wages :- well , you only have to look at the vast swathes of disapproval at any development plans, hell I believe they are still against commerce on a sunday in the Hebrides.
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Buckfastleigh,

Peebles 30/12/2008 09:27:03
There were far fewer out buying than we were led to expect by the media.

Perhaps land is where the money is going.

In one Glasgow store items were marked in £ as well as € ; though at a rate of exchange that valued the pound at 30% more than it's worth currently (perhaps that's how they are raising additional money from unwary Irish visitors)

It's sad to see a great country like Scotland go to the sales as if there were no future and pick up overpriced bargains like at a jumble sale.

But it is horrifying when paying for the goods to be given a further 2.5% back from the taxpayer as though it were a bribe!

When is the general election to be? Perhaps Gordon will tell us now!
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Russell M,

Stirling 30/12/2008 09:52:47
Don't be mislead, ownership by local community trusts and charities is still not private ownership by each and every person. In reality it may actually be harder to buy your own home from a local community trust or charity.
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AJ Fife,

30/12/2008 09:56:05
Time to kick the rancid Royals into touch and turn Balmoral into holiday accommodation for the mentally ill and other 'not quite perfects'.

At least you wouldn't have to apply for a 'change of use' for the property!
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bumpkin,

30/12/2008 10:00:55
when are the thousands of rural people who have to live in run down hovels going to get the right to purchase their homes, so they can set about renovating them to a tolerable standard.?
this situation is a national disgrace.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/12/2008 10:07:40
People now own LITTLE swathes of land. This 1% must be vastly more productive per capita than the other 99% owned by landlords, holding companies etc. Why should they have title for this?
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 30/12/2008 10:13:42
There is a very simple solution to this, tax them out.

If it is the consensus of opinion that it is time to get rid of these enormous estates then you could just stick a punative "Land Concentration Tax" on holdings larger than a certain size.

It would be very simple to implement, just set a size larger than the largest working farm and then tax it at so many pounds for each additional acre.

You could also bring in the LIT and not exempt people who have second homes or are foreign nationals.

Having to disclose his income for tax purposes should be enough to get the secretive Mr. Salleh to stick up a for sale sign.
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Ewan Oosami,

30/12/2008 10:21:07
#30 I think you conveniently forget that the properties sold to those south of the border were sold by 'locals' who sold to the highest bidder with money taking precedence over nationality. Living in that area my concern is that housing has been snapped up for holiday homes thus depriving the locals of housing even if they had the money. The drop in house prices although not as bad up here may go some way to relieve this situation.
Then there's the crofting nonsense where a public funded body lets out tenancies of crofts to people who have no intention of using them as they were intended, they get grants to build houses on the crofts, they then decroft the land and sell it pocketing the cash. I know people who make a great deal of money from this , having multiple tenancies. This cash belongs to taxpayers who fund the Crofting Commission. Then there is the disgraceful numbers of houses allowed to go derelict because the crofts have been signed over to relatives who don't occupy them.
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30/12/2008 10:38:05
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Lurking from home,

30/12/2008 10:44:22
Very strange.
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30/12/2008 11:21:08
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Diabolo,

Scotland 30/12/2008 11:30:01
Why is it that in just about every piece you read in a newspaper on a subject you know something about there is a mistake?
This piece states that "Lord Margadale still owns the island [of Islay]". No, he doesn't. Against his name it says that he owns 73,000 acres. Islay is approximately 152,000 acres in extent, so I make Lord Margadale's holding to be just under half the island not the whole of it. Another point is that Andy Wightman in "Who owns Scotland", referred to in the article, puts the Margadale holding at 49,500 acres.

So, if I happen to know that statements about Lord Margadale are wrong or contradictory, how many of the other facts given here are correct?
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BorderLineScottish,

30/12/2008 11:46:58
#30 Ju@n Kerr
So, it's the English buying all the property, is it? What rubbish! "Not an anti-English statement"? Again, what rubbish, as you fail to mention the wealthy Glaswegians and Edinburgh money-people that are also buying their holiday homes in large numbers.

I agree that it is disgraceful that "locals" are priced out, but, it was the "locals" that took the ridiculous amounts of money being bandied around in the first place. Nobody forced them to!

Also, these people have brought their money into the areas, which, according to the media, were losing their populations as Scots left in search of work and a better quality of life.

Now, as these second homes go back onto the market, they will either return to the "locals" - if they can afford them - or they will become ghost towns.

That's the problem with properties. Somebody needs to own them, or they goes to ruin, so it really shouldn't matter who does own them, as long as they are maintained.
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PJ Walker,

East Lothian 30/12/2008 11:47:59
The Crown Prince of Dubai won't be buying anything for a while. He's massively in debt, along with most of the Maktoum family. The Dubai govt is officially $80 billion in the red, but many are saying the real figure is nearer $250 billion. No wonder Sheikh Mohammed hasn't been seen in public for weeks.
However, hundreds of acres of Scottish real estate is already owned by various Gulf Arabs
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straide,

Glasgpw 30/12/2008 12:07:07
The land reform programme in Scotland between 1997-2007 abolished the feudal system, legislated for the right to roam and created the crofting community right to buy. Since May 2007, absolutely no legislation and no new buy-outs.
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santa cova,

London..Capital of Scotland. 30/12/2008 13:14:10
Question.....Who owns Scotland?

Answer.........England.

What flag can one view from the top of Edinburgh castle? answer.....The union jack,more commonly known throughout the world as the flag of England.

Which monarch from another country rules over Scotland?
Answer..........The Queen of England.

What is the official national anthem of Scotland?
Answer......God save the Queen(thats the Queen of England) I hope that the aforementioned few points will clarify the outrageous suggestion that Scotland is a nation.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 30/12/2008 13:28:26
Q: Who owns the UK?

A: Its creditors?

Q: And who are they?

A: Mostly China and states in the Arabian Gulf

Q; What is the UKs National Anthem?

A: They don't have one but the owners have suggested "The East Is Red."



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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 30/12/2008 13:29:14
Q: Who owns the UK?

A: Its creditors?

Q: And who are they?

A: Mostly China and states in the Arabian Gulf

Q; What is the UKs National Anthem?

A: They don't have one but the owners have suggested "The East Is Red."



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Cllr Inkster,

France 30/12/2008 14:20:46
You've all missed the point! It's far too late tae bather aboot who owns what and all your comments so far are lost in a a huge discharge of obfuscating ink!
Remember what Karl Marx wrote in his 'Inaugural Address':

‘This intoxicating augmentation of wealth and power is entirely confined to classes of property.’

Marx was well known to be obsessed with the need to ensure that wealth was distributed as widely as possible and possibly had Scotland in mind when he wrote this. Who cares who owns what as Marx says "All property is theft". If you own a million acres of Lanarkshire (and who would want to do that?) you are gonna get billed by somebody for something! Thanks to the Factory Acts 1974 we as free born Scots are allowed to wander all over our beautiful land at will no matter if His Lordship the Bagwan of Bolivia owns it! Just gie him the twa fingers if he sticks his neb in...
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Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

Scotland needs Indepence NOW 30/12/2008 14:35:24
Scotland needs Indepence NOW

This is perfect example of the www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk have allowed Scotland be sold off to Lords and the super rich.

If the Scottish Labour party can un democratically reverse the decision of the Scottish People (52% who voted for a devolved Government) and Scottish MP's (43 to 19 voted against Labours decision to overturn the results democratic decision. In the 1979 Devolution Referendum.

If in 1979 the Scottish Labour Party and Scottish Liberal Democrat Party secretly moved Scotland's Marine Boundaries from Berwick-upon-Tweed to Carnoustie. Illegally making 6000 miles of Scotland's waters English.

What else will the Dispicable Unionist Parties do to Scotland?

They currently force Scotland send ALL ITS OIL MONEY to LONDON.

A MASSIVE revenue that is worth £22,831 a minute, £32 million a day, 12 billion a year.

A revenue that is so VAST it would allow Scotland to BUILD 2 SECONDARY SCHOOLS A DAY !!!!!!!!!!

For more infomation on the injustices inflicted upon Scotland by the Unionist Parties visit

http://www.oilofscotland.org
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Ananurhing,

30/12/2008 15:25:17
#43 bumpkin
Very well said

Ian Gray's comment that land reform legislation has "transformed Scotland" is specious guff.
Scotland is still full of small fragile communities that could and should benefit from reform, but in reality can't. For many of them even talk of forming a community body, or invoking tenants rights to a minimum standard of housing, results in an immediate eviction notice.

Land reform needs to be revisited urgently. To allow these communities to develop socially and economically, as they would do anywhere else in Europe.
The current situation wouldn't exist were it not for the huge subsidies paid by us to large sporting estates.

We still have nearly 70% of the Scottish land mass owned by less than a thousand people. Nearly all of it heavily subsidised. I'm surprised the SNP are so quiet on this issue.

Andy Wightman is a tireless campaigner both here and abroad. Good luck to him.


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lulach mac gille coemgain,

30/12/2008 15:26:27
Who cares who owns it now - it’s who takes it next that makes the best history.

And I notice the Scotsman using a word referring to something they NEVER really do ‘investigation’

why wait on their version - it’s updated regularly here

http://www.whoownsscotland.org.uk/
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salmondella,

UK 30/12/2008 16:55:47
This land is our land but as reported the vast amount is still in the hands of the people who control our economy and our lives. The SNP or New Labour cannot and will not fundementally change this but continue to offer the wee bits and pieces in the form of social enterprise to keep us happy but it will eventually be taken away from genuine social entrepenuers when it begins to threaten private interests. Ian Gray is a right wing reformist and not a socialist. Alex Salmond is even worse as he talks the talk for populist reasons but then cuts deals with the Trumps of this world. We are being conned rotten. Arise and take what is ours!
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/12/2008 17:07:56
To see ourselves as ithers see us !

Landlordism, first woven into the fabric of everyday life by royal fiat and thousands of years of legal process precedent, has become an accepted cosmic phenomenon as seemingly inevitable as the weather. Humans have learned to play many of its games. Land "ownership" and its omni-dependent comprehensive thing-ownership involvements and their legal-documents-perpetuations constitute the largest socioeconomic custom error presently being maintained by Scots. Nothing new about all that.

But what is new is that humanity has gone as far as it can go with this significant error and is in final examination as to whether it can free itself from its misconditioned reflex straightjacket in time to pull out of its greatest-in-all-history, error-occasioned tailspinning into eternity. We do have both the knowledge and the technical means to do so if we do it quickly enough.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/12/2008 18:03:30
Rorie,

The reason 'that' place in Govan hasn't sold might have to do with any buyer having to take on the existing debt and bile!!
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just-whatever-eh,

DR/F1/MO2 30/12/2008 18:09:25
#61
The revenue may be able to pay for 2 secondary schools to be built a day but I doubt there would A: be a need or B: be the project management ability to build schools so quickly.

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Morry,

Scotland 30/12/2008 18:17:59
Ha! Again no mention of a mere agricultural tenant, nor any mention of the Ag tenant whose lease is irrated for no other reason other than financial gain! for the Landowner!!
The Scotsman can reveal........the Scotsman's view and that is all that these types of reports do, they reveal the opinion of the themselves and little more!
Andy Wightman, I know him well, I've read his reports / articles / views on everything concerning land reform and just like a lot of other tenant farmers I have actually had great conversations with him!

There is not a farming tenant in this country who at least at sometime in his life has thought "if only I could own my farm" I know I did, but all that was before my landowning pipsqueak of a landlord found himself a "buyer" for my farm who in turn found himself "a rogue lawyer" whereby they all together hatched a plan to rid themselves of a tenant! protected or so was thought under the all important laws of our great country! NOT.

Land Reform, was I thought for all in Scotland.
Not it seems if you are a tenant farmer under the 1991 act!
Those tenants, are still forced to live under those draconian laws of old, whereby the landowners living in some other area still rule the day, the land, the tenant and what has our dear old first minister of Scotland done to make amends?
Right! Nothing!
Landlordism is Scotland!!!!
Does'nt matter who you are, what you are, where you come from, the message our government is giving out to would be landowners of affluent means......come to Scotland, we'll get you land.....wherever you want.......but we might have to EVICT the tenant, but don't worry because this what we do......we'll find a way to get you this or that piece of land!

I am Scottish born and bred, once proud of my heritage..
today however, for a' that said and done,
Scotland is a disgrace.....especially concerning Agricultural Tenants, wee eck should make amends sooner rather than later.


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Strix,

NYHAMNSLÄGE 30/12/2008 20:41:20
I didn´t know that Mugabe has arrived in Scotland?
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Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.oilofscotland.org 30/12/2008 21:25:06
#69

The example used was to highlight how much money the Country of Scotland give the Country of England LOCK STOCK & BARRELL every day (32 million).

As 50% of Scots just do not get their heads round the large sums of money that they donate to England. I have used this expenditure to make it easier to understand this VAST WEALTH. i.e. a Billion Pounds is a Thousand Million Pounds and the Scots give London TWELVE THOUSAND MILLION POUNDS A YEAR.

Unfortunately, for the moment this Union exists and it gives the UK Government based in England the powers to Tax the Scot's.

However in the meantime, the Scots survive on the taxes on the population of Scotland NOT THE 12 BILLION worth of oil revenue that the scots currently give the London treasury)

Even then the money that Scotland is given under the various formula's is not what the Scots actually get As every year the Unionist Government sitting in Westminster manage to Claw back billions.

2.9 Billion in 2005 and 1.8 Billion in 2006

http://www.oilofscotland.org

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Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.oilofscotland.org 30/12/2008 21:40:52
SCOTLAND COULD AFFORD TO COMMISSION TWO SECONDARY SCHOOLS A DAY with 32 million Oil Revenue a day it donates to the London Treasury.

IF SCOTLAND WAS AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY - 66 DAYS OF NORTH SEA OIL MONEY COULD RE-BUILD ALL THE 132 OF SCOTLANDS SECONDARY SCHOOLS...

66 DAYS = ENOUGH MONEY TO RE-BUILD ALL SCOTTISH SECONDARY SCHOOLS

http://www.oilofscotland.org
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FerryPort,

31/12/2008 01:29:27
Who owns Scotland? Who said that? Stand up.
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Hillcroft,

Scotland 31/12/2008 08:53:42
I agree with the comments criticising the quality of journalism in this report at #37 & #53. The area of land listed at number 20 and pertaining to be Queen's View in Glen Avon in Moray doesn't exist !!! The photograph is actually from Queen's View in Strathtummel in Perthshire, and the rest of the article on this section looks spurious as if it was made up in a hurry.

You would have thought our own national reporters would get details of their own country right...unless of course THEY are fifth columnists as well.

Come on Scotsman, where is the editorial oversight making sure that your articles are at least accurate!!
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Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks 04/01/2009 06:25:45
Happy New Year to all. # 57 the Union Jack is just that, it represents the Union of which we should all support. Scotland has its own beautiful flag which I fly daily.

 

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