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Published Date: 05 June 2009
BARACK Obama called for a "new beginning" in relations between the United States and Islam yesterday in a historic speech to an audience of more than one billion Muslims.
Addressing the world's Muslims from Cairo, the US President also tackled grievances over two American-led wars and tensions over Iran.

He conceded that tension "has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations".

Mr Obama, who recalled hearing prayer calls of "azaan" at dawn and dusk while living in Indonesia as a boy, went on: "I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."

In his keynote speech, occasionally interrupted by shouts of "we love you", Mr Obama said he did not want US troops to stay in Iraq or Afghanistan "forever" and offered mutual respect in seeking to resolve differences with long-time foe Iran.

"We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world – tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate," he said in the address that included quotes from the Koran.

"I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect. America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition.

"This cycle of suspicion and discord must end."

But highlighting the hostility the US President faces from some quarters, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued an online warning to Muslims against any alliance with Christians and Jews, saying it would annul their faith.

Also, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said before Mr Obama spoke that America was "deeply hated" and only action, not "slogans" could change that.

But the US President said the actions of violent, extremist Muslims were "irreconcilable with the rights of human beings" and quoted the Koran to make his point: "Be conscious of God and always speak the truth …"

He added: "Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace."

The choice of Cairo for the speech underscored Mr Obama's focus on the Middle East, where he faces big foreign policy challenges, from trying to restart Israeli-Palestinian peace talks to curbing Iran's nuclear ambition, which Washington says is to build atomic bombs.

His trip included a tour of a 14th-century Cairo mosque with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a visit to the Pyramids.

He was later seen off at the airport, walking up the red carpet in the T-shirt and trousers he had worn to visit the ancient sites.

Mr Obama, who wants to build a coalition of Muslim governments to back his diplomatic moves, affirmed his commitment to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience that the task requires."

Mr Obama said Palestinians had to abandon violence and urged them to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. He also said Israel should stop building settlements in the West Bank.

Palestinian official Nabil Abu Rdainah said: "President Obama's speech is a good start and an important step towards a new American policy."

Israel responded by saying it shared President Obama's hopes for Middle East peace but its own security interests remained paramount. An official statement made no mention of Jewish settlements nor Palestinian statehood.

Islam praises tone of respect and humility

MUSLIMS around the world praised Barack Obama's address as a positive shift in attitude and tone, though some said they wanted him to turn his words into action.

Fawzi Barhoum, a spokesman for Hamas in Gaza, said there had been a change in tone, but complained that Mr Obama did not specifically note the suffering after the three-week Israeli incursion earlier this year that killed 1,000 Palestinians.

"There is a change between the language of President Obama and previous speeches made by George Bush," Mr Barhoum said. "The statements of today did not include a mechanism that can translate his wishes and views into actions."

Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, whose Fatah group rivals Hamas for leadership of the Palestinians, welcomed Mr Obama's words. "The part of (his] speech regarding the Palestinian issue is an important step under new beginnings," his spokesman said.

"It shows there is a new and different American policy toward the Palestinian issue."

The speech had a mixed message for Israel, and the Israeli government called it "not bad".

Before the address, Muslims had said they wanted to hear respect for Islam.

"It was very good of him to address Muslims by quoting from holy Quran, something I did not expect in his speech," Osama Ahmed Sameh, 45, an Iraqi civil servant, said.

Shahinda al-Bahgouri, a 20-year-old student at Cairo University said: "All we want as Muslims is for there to be a partnership. And he was seriously humble. Humility is important for us."

Zahid Husain Gardezi, 50, a landowner in the Pakistani city of Multan, was pleased by Mr Obama's warmth. "It is the first time I have ever heard such affectionate words from an American for Muslims," he said.

Marjorie Olster

The seven central strands of Cairo address – what he said and what he really meant

ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS

"The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements."

Israel was invited to 'blink first' in the deadlocked Middle East peace process, with Barack Obama telling it to halt settlement building in the occupied West Bank.

Obama's comments were the clearest signal so far from the White House that President Obama sees the settlements as a key obstacle to re-starting a Middle East peace process. Mr Obama was quick to tie his proposal to a call for the Palestinians and Arab states to recognise the state of Israel.

Of concern to the Obama administration are the construction of so-called Outposts, seen by critics as embryonic settlements designed to spread territory controlled by the Settlers beyond previous borders.

The big question is how far Mr Obama wants Israel to scale back its settlements: A halt to expansion is one thing; dismantling the towns and villages and pulling out, as happened in Gaza in 2005, would be a far bigger step.

TERRORISM

"The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer."

Mr Obama laid out his belief that terrorism is best combated by a combination of tolerance and a recognition that more can be achieved through non-violent protest.

"Violence is a dead end," he said. "This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia."

He reached back to the experience of African Americans to outline how non-violent protest can achieve spectacular results. "For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation," he said. "But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the centre of America's founding."

NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION

"It is clear to all concerned that when it comes to nuclear weapons, we have reached a decisive point. This is not simply about America's interests. It is about preventing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East."

On the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions, Mr Obama was unequivocal in his opposition, but he sought to portray it in a regional context, saying that Tehran would not find security in building its own nuclear weapons because it would be likely to trigger a wider Middle East arms race.

But Iran's leaders may doubt how practical is his call for all nations to abandon their nuclear arsenals: "I strongly reaffirm America's commitment to seek a world in which no nations hold nuclear weapons."

DEMOCRACY

"You must maintain your power through consent, not coercion; you must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise."

Mr Obama's appeal for the spread of democracy was always going to be the most delicate part of his Cairo speech, delivered in a state accused by human rights groups of crushing all political opposition.

He said democracy did not depend only on the ballot box, but required a government to follow the rule of law, allow free speech and tolerate opposition.

RELIGION

"I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect."

A call for mutual understanding between the United States and the world's 1.5 billion Muslims was the theme running through Mr Obama's Cairo speech. He told his audience that the lack of understanding was the soil in which terrorism was sown.

Several times he referred to the Koran, quoting passages that underlined the value of non-violence. "The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind."

WOMEN'S RIGHTS

"I respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. But it should be their choice."

An emphasis on women's rights was perhaps the surprise package of the Cairo speech, with Mr Obama urging Middle Eastern states to grant rights and access to education to women.

Few parts of the world draw such criticism as the Middle East for their treatment of women, and the US president insisted that without rights for women, other human rights would be stalled.

ECONOMICS AND DEVELOPMENT

"All of us must recognise that education and innovation will be the currency of the 21st century, and in too many Muslim communities there remains underinvestment in these areas."

Mr Obama's comments were aimed both at Islamic states who suppress the free market and oil states who rely on petro-dollars to support their economies.

He acknowledged the fears of many Muslims that the march of technology can undermine traditional values, but insisted other states had shown how to accommodate advances without losing their values:

"I know that for many, the face of globalisation is contradictory. The Internet and television can bring knowledge and information, but also offensive sexuality and mindless violence," he said.

"There need not be contradiction between development and tradition. Countries like Japan and South Korea grew their economies while maintaining distinct cultures."

Read the full speech here

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  • Last Updated: 04 June 2009 11:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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2dogs in D.C.,

05/06/2009 00:36:16
"Bin Liner"..I like that,it's a good 'un.But on topic,I thought his speech was on topic and well delivered.Will it do any good? Will we be allowed to follow through? That remains to be seen.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 05/06/2009 00:55:35
jock you speek the truth,but unfortunately this paper removes truthful answers
yes we had servicemen laying down their lives to stop serbs becoming the new nazis,as we stopped ethnic cleansing of muslims,yet they forget that ,they state that they have to convert a non believer,and if he resists try a bit harder,if he resists more,hes to be put to death
sounds like labour voting strategy
they spread out accross the globe like a weed
they can insult christianity yet would kill us for doing that to them
this is what being pc has got us
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2dogs in D.C.,

05/06/2009 00:56:19
What? You asking me to solve the worlds problems? Forget,Man,you got the wrong Dog.Tell you what,why don't you take a crack at it? Let me know how you do. In my book religion is just institutional insanity,and I ain't goin'any where near it,thanks just the same.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 05/06/2009 02:30:47
-- what about the West's support for the Mujahedeen v the Soviets in Afghanistan and supporting the Muslim Bosnians v the Serbs ?

Insanity in high places! We did no favours to Iran by installing the Shah then later the Ayatollah K.

The old patriarchal monotheisms are doomed to fizzle out but aren't going gracefully. What with guns, cruise missiles, tanks, stealth bombers, these are religions of death and it will come to them.
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Josiecamp,

San Francisco 05/06/2009 05:29:41
When President Obama told his audience at Cairo University "omnia mea mecum porto" he bared his soul to the world. He is on a mission for world peace and co-determination of all nations. He cast off the cloak of intrusion and told Muslims that they and only they can interpret the Koran in its application to governing the State and in doing so admitting that all Human Rights are judged by different countries in different ways. When the Governor of Texas, last week carried out his 200th execution Canada, along with many of our States called it Barbaric and a violation of Human Rights, which it was not since it met the requirements of State Constitution (the Texas Koran). President Obama is seeking Peace with the help of autonomous States, and deals with political issues and leaves cultural matters to the governments and the creed they follow. He encouraged Iran to join the world in peaceful nuclear development and demanded that it would never escalate to weaponary. I am proud of my President, I worked hard to help him get elected and I trust him to carry out his program for governance and understand that he is restoring world confidence in the United States, something that was lost by the last administration.
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overton,

aberdeen 05/06/2009 06:41:05
It was interesting to note that in the BBC news they commented that there was disquiet in some quarters due to the fact that Obama made his speech in a country that has allegedly such a dire record on human rights.

Those sort of comments from the media only illustrate their complete and abject denial of the facts surrounding any Muslim country in the world - none could have blamelessly hosted his big speech because they all deny their populations human rights - Muslims are certainly denied but other faiths are subjected to worse wrongs (see Koptic Christians in Egypt and Christians in Iraq / Lebanon / Palestine etc).

Discussions on 'Democracy' can never be held seriously with countries that follow the Islamic Political code as at least 50% of their populations are denied , and always will be denied, their human rights.

Osama Bin Ladin is at least honest about his aims and always has been wheras the Saudis profess friendship but hate us behind our backs whilst actively practising Aparthied in their own country.

Muslims will never reliquish their claims to be superior to the Kaffir and the Kaffir should now understand why it is difficult for the Serbs to try and co-exist with a supremacist cult.
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 08:09:53
THE MIDDLE EAST WOULD CALM DOWN IF ISRAEL WAS FORCED TO BEHAVE ITSELF, ITS THE REAL NUTTERS IN AFGANISTAN/PAKISTAN THAT ARE THE PROBLEM, ISOLATE THEM COMPLETELY,NO CONTACT, NO FLIGHTS IN OR OUT, OUR TROOPS SHOULD NOT BE THERE, THAT JUST INFLAMES THE SITUATION.
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greenhill,

05/06/2009 08:31:22
RE Yok Finney,Ross-shire 05/06/2009 02:30:47
-- what about the West's support for the Mujahedeen v the Soviets in Afghanistan and supporting the Muslim Bosnians v the Serbs ?

Insanity in high places! We did no favours to Iran by installing the Shah then later the Ayatollah K.
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What about the fact you are just another unsophisticated prat who will always find a way to criticise the West .

You may as well criticise the Allies for fighting alongside the Soviet Union during WW2.The fact is that in desperate circumstances pragmatic geopolitical alliances are formed.

I bet you are really disappointed that the West won the Cold War: just like George Galloway who was in tears when the Soviet Union came to an end. He said it was the saddest day of his life.

Nothing changes, people like you and George will always be enemies of freedom.
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Astarte,

Giffnock 05/06/2009 10:16:26
#8 Josiecamp, as always and once again your logic is sound! omnium mea mecum porto or translated "all I have I carry with me" is President Obama's way of saying I don't talk one way in a mosque and another way in a synagogue.
I too believe that his mission is for world peace and co-determination as you do so how are we going to convince the pundis that the skirmish in Afghanistan has nothing whatsoever to do with Human Rights..or is the President showing hypocracy in this? Or what is the Afghanistan conflict really about?
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Mahmood,

Durban 05/06/2009 10:36:27
When you choose to be a Muslim, your actions are governed by Islam. So women who are Muslim cannot choose 'traditional roles' - supposing this refers to 'traditional Islamic roles' for 'traditional cultural roles' are displaced when you choose Islam. This holds true for men's roles too.
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Douglas,

Bathgate 05/06/2009 10:52:26
Mr Obama is clearly new to all of this. He needs to be seen standing shoulder to shoulder with middle east peace envoy and after dinner speaker T. Blair (countries levelled in the name of peace) esq.
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Chief King Bonga,

05/06/2009 10:54:26
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15 Astarte

"Or what is the Afghanistan conflict really about"

It could be argued that by taking the war to Afghanistan, the West is shifting the field of conflict from Western City streets and onto a battlefield which can be fought with conventional weapons, and one which attracts the radical extremists there instead of say, London or New York.
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Chief King Bonga,

05/06/2009 12:06:33
Mahmood,

"And Israel? Well, even Jews admit that the 'deal' for a promised land fell through. And Jews were then destined to forever 'be as apes - despised and rejected"

Do you think followers of a religion who print words like these are civilized, Is treating women as second class citizens civilized, is stoning women for adultry civilized, is sawing off the head of non believers civilized ? Mahmood you have a long way to evolve before you can be equal in the civilized world.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 05/06/2009 13:10:05
I'm not so sure that the West won the Cold War or even makes sense to talk of East and West as locations rather than directions on a spherical planet. Asians see the western block as a dictatorship of dynastic families They're less deluded than we are and the new asian confederation is more coherent than the current chaotic "West".
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Chief King Bonga,

05/06/2009 13:33:18
24, York Finney

Dont you just love reading the `pearls of wisdom` of old liberal handwringing lefties, who never really grew up and left school, and are still flagellating themselves because their life`s beliefs turned out to be wrong




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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 14:22:02
What a breath of fresh air after that numpty Bush.
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georgia, chloe's mommy,

somewhere outside chicago 05/06/2009 14:28:15
I really respect Obama for at least trying to make some sense of the jumbled up tangle that is the Middle East. His predecessor didn't have a clue and just went about calling people names and grouping them into enemy aggregations: "Axis of Evil." (W personally picked that group name because it had a "nice ring" to it - unbelievable!!!) When it got out that Bush called the president of North Korea a pejorative name, I knew he had definitely lost his mind - that is SO junior high and way below the dignity of world leaders.

Now we have a president whom we can respect, and he is reaching out boldly - the man has guts the previous administration did not possess, even en masse. He is trying hard to undo the namecalling and obvious hatred our past leader had for anyone who disagreed with his views (and I mean HIS, not the electorates') Now we have a real man in the White House....
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Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 05/06/2009 15:29:20
23nova albion#: I fail to see the connection between Obama and his (alleged by you) less than perfect relatives. How about letting us in on your family's less than golden moments so we can all have a virtuous snigger? Was your Dad a child molester or is that just another smear? What exactly did you mother do to pay the rent when your dad went to jail after the molesting charges was proved? Enquiring minds want to know!
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Carolyn 1,

05/06/2009 15:41:21
Dear Georgia,
From reading your comment I'll assume you were in grade school or junior high when President Bush gave the 2001 speech after the 9-11 Attacks. The hatred of America is not new, and not because of G. Bush. And America treating Muslims as equals is also not new.

A professor of Islamic studies in this interview after the speech says that the Muslim anti-Americanism predates George Bush, and goes back to Clinton.

"Let me say, let me stress on particular point. I think that President Bush showed a great deal of sensitivity to the feelings of American Muslims and the feelings of Muslims in the Muslim world at large. He made it very clear that he made distinctions between Islamic militancy on the one hand and Islam as a religion. He made it very clear that he says to Muslims, 'we respect your faith, but we are against the people who would like to hijack Islam. Muslims are not our enemies.'

COMPERE: Do you think that distinction will be picked up in the Muslim world?

PROFESSOR GERGES: Well, I think it will. I think he went out of his way to really, I mean, send a very clear message that the United States will not be fighting Muslims. But the United States is not, does not perceive Muslims as the enemies. That those Muslims and Americans suffer from the terrorism of al Qaeda and the terrorist networks throughout the Middle East.

COMPERE: Well, obviously he was being quite careful there. You've spent the last two years in the Middle East, did you sense a hardening in the attitude towards the United States while you were there?

PROFESSOR GERGES: Well, what's really disturbing is that in the last two years or so anti-Americanism has become deeply entrenched, and not only in Arab political culture, but even among intellectual circles as well. In fact I would argue that anti-Americanism unfortunately has become a staple of political life in most of the Muslim countries. And I think the question is not really Osama bin Laden versus the United State
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Carolyn 1,

Boston, Massachusetts 05/06/2009 15:41:55
continued:

PROFESSOR GERGES: Well, what's really disturbing is that in the last two years or so anti-Americanism has become deeply entrenched, and not only in Arab political culture, but even among intellectual circles as well. In fact I would argue that anti-Americanism unfortunately has become a staple of political life in most of the Muslim countries. And I think the question is not really Osama bin Laden versus the United States. I think the question is much bigger than that right now. I think it's how many Muslims have an arsenal of accumulated grievances against the United States? Such as America's supports for Israel and the very much despised policy of sanctions against the Iraqi people. And, of course, America's close association with the corrupt ruling elite in some Muslim countries.


http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s372578.htm
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Carolyn 1,

Boston, Massachusetts 05/06/2009 15:45:19
above at #29, and #30
I forgot to post the date of the GW Bush's speech and this commentary of Professor Gerges which was September 21, 2001
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CANUCK,

05/06/2009 15:51:03
Obama - is trying and trying and trying no one else is and I do not think anyone else is capable of doing what he is doing, let us just support him in his efforst putting all the politics,fears and resevations aside for a whilc since we seem to have tried everyhting else and failed
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Jay Kay,

05/06/2009 15:53:58
All the people's on this little mud ball are all fighting to kill one and other, ask yourself this, if and I know its a big IF but if, a more advanced race of beings suddenly descended from the heavens tomorrow and started to eradicate man from the face of the planet, would we, the people still have the same hate for each other?, or would we all join together and fight it in a unified way.

Now before you all start moaning, I know its a sad holywood movie but! maybe just but! we have all forgotten just how precious our little mud ball is.

WE as a race should put and end to all of this, all fighting no matter what religion and spend more time and money on science and space, we might then actually get off and out. There is a vast solar system/universe out there just waiting to be mined/discovered and were here bickering about a patch of sand in the dessert.

Pathetic, truely pathetic.

Who knows whats out there, we might meet that superior race, we might find something even better or worse, all I know is, from the dawn of time when man evolved, he has explored, his insane curiosity has led us to this point. Its a very fragile existence I know but for f**k sake, why can't we as a species just be happy.

If there is a god and personally I can't see it myself he is one sick mother f**ker.

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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 05/06/2009 15:56:41
Diplomacy isn't weakness and at least young muslims are thinking, "Um, we'll see" rather than "Where's my nearest terrorist organisation?"

"America's close association with the corrupt ruling elite in some Muslim countries"

Not much has changed YET.
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georgia, chloe's mommy,

somewhere outside chicago 05/06/2009 16:52:51
Dear Caroline 29-31,
Sorry to disabuse you of your notion about my age, but I am 61 now so a bit out of school when Bush's speech of 2001 was delivered.

All I know is, if we remain in the same mindset as we did in the 90's, we will never move forward. Taking kindness for weakness is a bully's attitude, and we have stewed and mired in this "America Uber All" quagmire for way too long. It is time to set our old ways on their ears and progress instead of regress. "Bring 'em on!" was Bush's quote - but he knew someone else would have to bear the brunt of his fightin' words, so it was no burden for him. Now, if he had led the charge in Faluja or Baghdad, I would have perhaps thought at least he is not waving his d**k around at other peoples' expense...

Now we have a president of whom we can be proud, who can say "Holy Koran" instead of "%^&$# Koran" because he knows what it's like to be a human being, something you would be hard-pressed to prove about the indomitable Bush, who sneered at a person who begged for her life in Texas and sneered at women who had the nerve to be upset when their dear sons were killed in Iraq.
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georgia, chloe's mommy,

somewhere outside chicago 05/06/2009 16:58:41
And what is so horrible about being able to prove the earlier opinions about the "horrible Muslims" to be wrong! I don't think I am too optimistic when I say that it is better to reach out a hand to your enemy and even get hurt, than to be hateful toward your enemy. We say we observe the teachings of Christ...time and time again I am reminded that Christ is being used as an excuse to wage a bitter war against those with whom we disagree. Crusades, anybody??!!! Inquisition, anybody??!!! Waterboarding, anybody??!!!
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greenhill,

05/06/2009 17:14:55
RE georgia, chloe's mommy,

You are a PC Muppet. You talk about the Crusades and Inquisition from a guilt perspective but draw a line and fail to look back at the history of Islam.

Islam started out from the Gulf of Arabia and was spread by the imperialist violence. The Muslim conquests resulted in far more slavery than occurred in the post Columbian New World. In fact Slave trading by Muslims in Africa was well established long before Columbus hit the Americas.

They were even taking people from Scotland (Then mostly Pictland) from the Vikings through an overland trade route.

Islam involved imperialism, theft, rape, murder and genocide. So cut out the subjective guilt trip.
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Carolyn 1,

05/06/2009 17:22:06
Georgia @35
Wow!!
Who would have thought the current President of the United States, "can say "Holy Koran" because he knows what it's like to be a human being,...
and the previous President of the United States called it a
"instead of "%^&$# Koran"


if Bush said that, kindly provide the time, date and place because it comes as quite a shocker to me.
If not, we can assume you're on the committee to hang him. Needless to say, it's interesting that you spit such vitriol while simultaneously saying we should not spit vitriol. If your words are suggestive of your vision of moving forward, I think we're in a lot of trouble


Also please provide the news source and the names of these people at whom President Bush
"sneered at a person who begged for her life in Texas and sneered at women who had the nerve to be upset when their dear sons were killed in Iraq."

Awaiting your answer on that.
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Carolyn 1,

05/06/2009 17:26:44
Jay @33
If there is a god and personally I can't see it myself he is one sick mother f**ker.')


I think God was having a bad day when he decided to give everyone free will instead of making individuals prove themselves worthy of it...
either that or God's a comedian and we're a joke

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mike - across the pond,

cutty 05/06/2009 17:32:31
I have no choice but to wait and see...

he IS my president...

there were things I didnt like about GWB... and there are things I like about BO... but simply put there are MANY more things about BO that I fundamentally disagree with...

but as I said before, he was elected before his time, he opens his mouth AND he proves again, and again, that he lacks the gravitas for the job... being top dog isnt something we chose, but it comes as a responsability that we cannot shirk, simply because he finds the mantle "difficult"...

IMHO, it WILL be a dog race in 2012... and it will be FASCINATING to see how that turns out... I hope BO earns my vote... from here, I just dont see it though...

but it all depends who "the other guys" trot out... doesnt it?
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mike - across the pond,

carolyn 05/06/2009 17:35:04
free choice...

think of it this way...

god gave us free choice... and put us down here on this planet so we can prove that we can handle it... where we cant really hurt anything...

purely from a "cosmological" standpoint...
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Carolyn 1,

05/06/2009 17:39:50
Georgia @35
And what is so horrible about being able to prove the earlier opinions about the "horrible Muslims" to be wrong!"

I wasn't aware that Americans harbored such an opinion. Maybe it was an opinion limited in Chicago because it certainly was not here.

"I am reminded that Christ is being used as an excuse to wage a bitter war against those with whom we disagree. Crusades, anybody??!!! Inquisition, anybody??!!! Waterboarding, anybody??!!!"

Trust me on this, the wonderful inmates housed at Gitmo weren't waterboarded for anything to do with Christ.... they were waterboarded because they planned to blow up Los Angeles and the CIA was hellbent on preventing 10,000s of deaths.
If these wonderful inmates planned to blow-up Chicago, would you still think they were innocent?


Do you not find it ironic that our current president, who we are so proud of, is continuing many if not all of Bush's policies, such as NSA, interrogation, trials, rendition, etc that Congress will not issue money to close Gitmo?
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mike - across the pond,

ah canuck... 05/06/2009 17:45:45
what BO is doing....

pray tell, what IS BO doing?

he came to power reviling bush for doubling the debt...
whats his plan... QUADRUPLE it from here!!!

READ his friggin speach... its got SO much double speak that its simply amazing... pick one of his talking points.... read the supporting text... it contradicts his point!!!

he IS jimmy frickin carter... reincarnate... everything is just DUCKY, right up until you really LISTEN to what he says... then it all goes down the toilet....
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Carolyn 1,

05/06/2009 17:48:18
Mike @41
so we can prove that we can handle it....where we cant really hurt anything...)

Obviously we can't handle it and hurt a lot, and many.

Perhaps the failure to thrive without killing each other explains why scientists have recently realized that octopuses are intelligent. And porpoises...
Maybe 'God' is cosmologically moving us back to the primordial soup kitchen.
We'll have flippers and poisons instead of guns.. and still be jokes
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05/06/2009 21:09:26
Obama offers Broonie Asylum!
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06/06/2009 03:04:33
Menahem @48
I wrote, "Perhaps the failure to thrive without killing each other.." in reference to #33.
Why isn't writing that we're a failure as a human race related to a discussion about ending war and violence?
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Keith Lagden,

06/06/2009 03:08:20
BARACK Obama called for a "new beginning" in relations between the United States and Islam yesterday in a historic speech to an audience of more than one billion Muslims

Ok Mr Barck Hussien Obama, where does that leave the American Jews who voted for you.

He's JUST another Cr@ppy Politician
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Ifan Har,

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All American Presidents take their orders from Israel.

Obama, being no exception, is only another figurehead to deceive the American electorate into believing America is a sovereign nation that is governed by its elacted President.

His speech could well have been scripted by the MOSSAD to re-inforce this deception on the American electorate and expand the deception to other gullible nations hoping that they will also be deceived into believing that America is a sovereign nation that is not dictated to by Israel as to what policies to follow!

I have studdied Israeli propaganda techniques for the last forty years and this is their best effort yet!

If Obama exhibits any signs of following an independent path from the path Israel has deterined he must follow, the MOSSAD will have him assassinated!

Before his death, Kennedy was preparing to investigate Israel's nuclear arms programme, he did not live long after that!
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