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Published Date: 24 November 2008
MORE babies are being born with Down's syndrome than before pre-natal screening for the disorder was introduced at the end of the 1980s, it was revealed yesterday.
Parents appear more willing to bring a Down's child into the world than they used to be, research shows.

Many are taking the decision because those affected by the syndrome are more accepted in society today and their quality of life has improved, according to a new survey.

After the widespread introduction of screening for Down's syndrome in 1989, the number of babies born with the condition in the UK fell from 717 to 594 at the start of this decade.

But since 2000, the birthrate has increased, reaching 749 in 2006, the latest year for which figures are available.

Figures from a national Down's syndrome register show that the proportion of newborn children with Down's rose by around 15 per cent between 2000 and 2006.

About one in every 1,000 babies has Down's syndrome, an incurable genetic disorder caused by the presence of an extra chromosome.

Its physical effects include a characteristic "flat" face and slanting eyes, short stature, heart defects, and poor sight and hearing. People with Down's also have moderate to severe degrees of learning disability.

A blood test or ultrasound scan is used to tell if a pregnant woman is at risk of having a child with Down's syndrome.

This can be followed by more invasive tests which take samples of fluid from the womb or placental tissue to show definitively if a child has the syndrome.

At either stage, a decision may be taken whether or not to continue with the pregnancy.

The Down's Syndrome Association, in conjunction with the BBC, conducted a survey of 1,000 of its members to find out why so many were choosing to have Down's children despite the availability of pre-natal screening.

The findings show that while religious or pro-life beliefs counted in about a third of cases, many parents felt that life and society had improved for people affected by Down's.

Others said their decision was influenced by the fact that they knew people with Down's or other disabilities.

Carol Boys, chief executive of the Down's Syndrome Association, said: "We are all very surprised by this. It wasn't what any of us working in the field would have anticipated and it seems to show more parents are thinking more carefully before opting for pre-natal screening and termination – that being born with Down's syndrome is being seen in a different light today.

"When I and others had our babies, it was a very different world – those with Down's syndrome were treated very differently. Now, there is much greater inclusion and acceptance, with mainstream education having a huge role.

"We think this plays a part in the decisions parents make – there's even been a baby with Down's syndrome on EastEnders."

Pandora Summerfield, director of Down's Syndrome Scotland, said: "We applaud these women who go ahead with their pregnancies.

"It is very heartening to hear that women are making a positive choice because society is more accepting."


High School Musical to Scrabble – meet a remarkable little girl

SEVEN-YEAR-OLD Claire Ferguson has just been to see High School Musical 3: Senior Year and, like many of her friends, enjoys singing along to the hits from the top-selling movie.

She also has a hectic social life and goes to ballet and music classes, swimming and Rainbows – the beginners sessions for the Brownies. Claire enjoys playing games such as children's Scrabble and Monopoly, and invites friends round to play on her trampoline and slide.

But a few weeks before Claire was born, medical staff told her parents, Sheila and Keith Ferguson, from Edinburgh, that a scan had shown the baby had a problem with its intestine which pointed to quite a high chance of Down's syndrome.

Parents Sheila and Keith said that, like most people, they knew very little about the condition. Mrs Ferguson, a communications project manager with the Royal Bank of Scotland, said: "I got the scan at 32 weeks and when we got the news, we were very worried. It is not what you want to hear. But there was no question of us doing anything other than continuing with the pregnancy.

"We were pretty much in the dark but we did find out that children with Down's syndrome could achieve a lot – in fact, do what every other child does but just take longer to get there.

"When we were trying to get pregnant, there had been a lot of difficulties so when I did get pregnant at 39, although screening was recommended, we had decided that whatever the outcome, we would accept it and enjoy it." When Claire was nine months old, Mrs Ferguson returned to work part-time. "We wanted Claire to be with children her own age. Youngsters with Down's syndrome are very visual learners and we felt this would be the best way for her to learn," Mrs Ferguson said.

"I also took Claire to playgroup because, as a mum, it was important for me that we were in contact with babies with typical development. We built up quite close relationships there and I think it was also an eye-opener for other parents about what children like Claire could do."

Claire is a pupil at Fox Covert primary school in Edinburgh, where she has one-to-one support. Mr Ferguson, a risk consultant at HBOS, added: "The way we've done things means people have learned to feel comfortable with Claire, which benefits everyone."

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  • Last Updated: 23 November 2008 9:23 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Abortion
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 00:54:53


Lets face it, if baby is a wanted baby, made from Love, I think very few would,..'get ridd'.

Look at the case of 18year old Laura who is about to have "Siamese Twins", this says mountains for all of us,......

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1088633/My-babies-named-Faith-Hope-Exclusive-interview-British-teenager-set-worlds-youngest-mother-Siamese-twins.html


......

Just because a baby to-be has, "Down's syndrome" this does not mean this, 'life-to-be' is useless and not worth keeping, like some sort of commodity item.

All Life IS Precious, and I know many a, "Down's syndrome" baby, that grew-up to have a meaningful and contented Life,

It is Organisations, such as 'Down's Syndrome Scotland' who are well worth contributing to for less than £15.00 per year, your monies are well spent for the help a "Down's Syndrome" Person will get for events, help and such the likes, you will also receive many newsletters, through the year!

My DYW is a member and 'YES'! if we ever in our Lives are meant, 'to-have-a-baby' and this, 'Baby-to-be' is diognosed with "Down's Syndrome' we WILL be keeping her or him, because this IS a Wanted Baby, we do not think we have the right, to who lives or dies!

I am 'so so' religious in this matter, and my reiteration is,

We are not the ones to 'Judge', only give our best of care and Love, to what we are about to recieve!

As in the case of 18year Old Laura and Aled!!!



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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 01:04:07

re: article picture,,,

BTW! Sheila and Keith, you Daughter Claire looks a very happy child indeed, this shows your Love!


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Braveheartlaw,

USA 24/11/2008 01:33:17
From the father of an almost 18 year old Downs daughter. Kaitlyn blesses and grounds us all each and every day. The world will be a more loving and tolerant place with a few extra chromosomes around!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 02:22:20



Thank you God!




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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 02:26:07



Three Words!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 02:27:12


To make it a better World!


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fife runner,

24/11/2008 06:05:40
many go to mainstream schools including secondaries. They are better pupils and learn more than some of the misfits who create upheaval and disorder.
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Guga II,

Rockall 24/11/2008 06:32:28
#1 Charlie.

Having handicapped children is fine and good, if that's what certain people want, but if they end up being a burden on the taxpayer, that's a different matter.

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Down-to-earth,

Warsaw 24/11/2008 09:06:02
#Guga II
There is more to life than money. Some perfectly healthy children become a burden on the taxpayer too. Think of all the young drunks, drug addicts, juvenile delinquents and the like.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 24/11/2008 10:35:26
10 That's an outrageous thing to say. You can't seriously be suggesting that babies should be aborted if they are going to cost the state money. That's sick.

Whether parents choose to have their Downs syndrome baby is up to them, and that's how it should be. There should be no pressure on them to continue a pregnancy if they don't want to, and similarly there should be no pressure on them to terminate either.
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Miss H,

24/11/2008 10:38:08
I suspect 8 is a fakey and 10 is being provocative.

Bit of a sick joke though.
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ST31,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 10:42:51
My daughter goes to school with Claire and I think that Claire is a very valuable addition to their class. The children all love her and treat her with the utmost care and respect. She is a happy and 'cheeky' little girl and is very intelligent. I admire Sheila and Keith tremendously and feel that that they have definitely made the right decisions as far as Claire and education is concerned. There is no better school than Fox Covert to provide a first class education.
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Bruce's spider,

24/11/2008 10:53:17
Guga #8 your comments are a disgrace. Its pretty clear that both Keith and Sheila work for a living so what's the problem? as for "if that's what people want" what are you talking about man? we're not talking about people selecting Downs babies over healthy babies but people who fate hands a Downs child to and they make the best of things. Considering the myriad benefit scroungers that populate this country, most of them by choice, I think you it is churlish of you to pick on children who have no say in the matter.
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24/11/2008 12:15:25
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/11/2008 12:23:34
This is merely personal and anecdotal.

I was once casually acquainted with the parents of a Down's Syndrome child.

The father was in COMPLETE denial about the condition of his son and was forever saying that the infant would grow up just like all the other little boys and girls that were the children of his acquaintances. He opined that the cild would "grow out of it" what with "modern medical research and daily discoveries in science of a miraculous nature".

The mother seemed withdrawn and sullen about the utterances of her husband and was more realistic about the further development of her son.

They were both devout Roman Catholics and quite pleasant to talk with.

They subsequently divorced and the father got sole custody of the boy.

I am not judging here or giving an opinion; this is merely my own personal experience with one Down's Syndrome child and his parents.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 24/11/2008 12:25:34
15 Becoming a parent is not a whim, it is what happens when men and women have sex. Now it is perfectly possible and moral to intervene in that process, by using contraception, and by terminating unwanted pregnancies. But THAT is the intervention, it is never an intervention to allow a pregnancy to go ahead. What you appear to be advocating is aborting less than perfect babies, that is the stuff of Nazi-ism and you should be deeply ashamed of your post.
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Miss H,

24/11/2008 12:35:49
15 But your judgement is fundamentally flawed.

You appear to believe that people with Downs Syndrome are incapable of making any contribution to society and that they are kept alive artificially.

Perhaps in your ignorance you genuinely believe that but you are very far wide of the mark.

Do some basic research next time before you comment on something you clearly know very little about.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/11/2008 12:36:19
16 Vincent-W

Why are you always so angry at everybody and so insulting in your posts?

A mere statement of your opinion without the scabrous editorialising would give more credence to your views.

Just an opinion and I am sure you will have something scathing to say about me and anybody who disagrees with you.

You have done it in the past, continue to do it, and I see no way that you will change.
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Maximus,

Roberton 24/11/2008 12:44:20
#18, “Now it is perfectly possible and moral to intervene in that process, by using contraception” … “What you appear to be advocating is aborting less than perfect babies, that is the stuff of Nazi-ism and you should be deeply ashamed of your post.”

The irony in your statement is that contraception and abortion were promoted by Margaret Sanger in the 1930’s to reduce the number of disabled, invalids, blacks, indeed anyone who wasn’t ‘normal’ and such like. A vision the Nazi’s continued.

I’m afraid it is not perfectly moral to intervene by using contraception, as this is against life – it only promotes the use of abortion if the contraception should fail.

Let nature take its course. Promote a culture of life regardless of the cost to yourself or the public purse.
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24/11/2008 12:45:58
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24/11/2008 13:08:00
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/11/2008 13:20:58
22 Vincent-W

I beg to disagree with you.

I do it because this a democratic forum, always has been, and until they change the rules of the game we posters can say what we want, within reason of course, just as you post your views under the same rules as the rest of us.

Unlike many of the posters in this thread, I have ACTUALLY met the parents of and the child suffering from Down's Syndrome.

I prefaced my posting by saying it was anecdotal and just one personal experience.

I do not agree with posting #15 but would not put my opinion against that poster in such a vehement manner.

Your dismissal of my post is typical but one has to get used to your disparaging remarks about everybody flung about with increasing frequency.

You will surely disagree withall I have written but in the end we are both entitled to our opinions in these threads
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/11/2008 13:27:03
23 Vincent-W

While I was replying to you, you were posting a quote about eugenics in Canada.

If I can recall, I was quite against this inhumane and draconian law and glad that we "cleaned house", as it were, and repealed this embarrassing and unfair Canadian law.
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24/11/2008 13:32:55
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24/11/2008 13:37:54
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Xena - Warrior Princess,

24/11/2008 13:51:18
My friend has a lovely little daughter with DS who is much loved BUT my friend is also adamant that she would have an amnio without hesitation if she fell pregnant again. What she would do once she had the results remains to be seen.
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Observer. 1,

Observer 24/11/2008 15:09:35
21 - that is your personal opinion.

The law allows contraception and abortion, which in my view is right. But that should never be used as a reason to try and force parents to abort children who may have a serious illness, it is up to the parents whether to continue with the pregnancy, and cost should not be a factor.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 15:15:00

Princess ~28,

At least you brought us back to, matter of topic, not that one minds argument, but it would be of great shame if this thread was pulled of site, after some of the good comments we have on the matter of a down's syndrome baby or should I say babies.


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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/11/2008 15:34:59
26 & 27 Vincent-W

Have you taken it upon yourself to be the "unofficial moderator" of these forums?

Your postings about me presuppose a knowledge of my life that I thought was hitherto known only to my family, friends, and others within my social purview.

Unless I read somewhere the opinions of your uncle, I can have no comment on them. It would be impolite to theorise on a person and his worlview without acting reading them or hearing them or hearing about them.

Your views are very strongly stated in your posts and they leave no room for misinterpretation.

I don't agree with the posters at 8 and 15 and let others decide their aptness or not. Their views are of an inhumane and radical kind.

As for your involvement in adult life with DS children I can only commend your dedication, patience, and understanding.

How nice for you.

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Douglas,

Bathgate 24/11/2008 15:53:41
Vincent, as the song says 'the world was never meant for one as beautiful as you'.

Feel free to leave and take your fantasy life with you.
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24/11/2008 16:41:01
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Miss H,

24/11/2008 16:56:12
31 & 32 In fairness to Vincent he is a relative newby on the Scotsman forum and perhaps does not yet appreciate how far some people will go to provoke a reaction.

The post by Rulesbutnotrulers at 10 goes too far.

Comparing wanting a child with DS to wanting a family pet is not funny, it is sick.
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Douglas,

Bathgate 24/11/2008 17:03:13
Vincent, while I don't deny posting in The Herald I can't recall and if it is the case the passasge of time clearly hasn't mellowed you any.
Nice to have a fan/stalker though. :o)
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zigzag,

24/11/2008 17:24:35
With todays medical advances, more and more parents can now depend on support systems that do not make them feel that they are going it alone. Also society is not nearly as cruel as it used to be towards the beautiful youngsters.
Finally the choice is a personal one and upto the individual couples and no one else..
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/11/2008 22:43:10
Methinks that "Vincent-W" is a blabbering and frustrated OLD QUEEN infatuated with the sound of its own voice.

GROW UP DEARIE, and face the fact that you may met and exceeded your limited intellectual capacities.

Why don't you retire QUIETLY and not embarrass yourself even more?

Really, you're quite pitable.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/11/2008 22:50:55
#34

I quite agree with you and this subject has brought out the MOST outrageous comments by the UNIFORMED and IMPRECISE.

I will NOT practice my jesuitical casuistry on such an easy target but will just wish him well in his further and continuous and never-ending non-sequiturs and flagrant twisting of the fact.


Vincent-W

All word you cannot recall or con't know are readily available in any GOOD dictionary such as the OED or "The Oxford Dictionary of Canadian English" which I helped froofread.

Pehaps you will have a chance at some future time to consult it, non?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/11/2008 00:10:23

Tim, I have never seen you so active on site, I will use your activity as the word, 'determination' as an example of human survival, as my last thought on this topic in the meantime,.....

It is with the "Determination" and Love that Parents and others have for a Baby with "Down's Syndrome", that will rear the Baby into an Adult that contribute in our society.


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25/11/2008 06:26:32
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The Mac,

Here and now 26/11/2008 04:05:25
I can't believe how regularly these posts become hijacked by antagonists who spend their time attacking each other and ignoring the topics.

You would think in this day and age, viewpoints that see disabled etc kids as a burden would belong to a few ignorant individuals; however in recent weeks two cases have hit the news in Australia.
One was a German doctor who has been rejected for permanent residency because his daughter has Downs Syndrome. The second was a a UK man who has also been rejected for permanent residency because he also has a child with DS. Both have been living and working in Australia on working visas and have decided to stay. Unfortunately the dept of Immigration have rejected them because having a disabled child means "that family will cause a burden on the taxpayer." If you are sickened at an individual holding this view, think how sick Asutralians are at having a government department that holds the same beliefs!
These are the beliefs Hitler and the Nazi party held. Disgusting!!
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 26/11/2008 16:09:14
#40 Vincent-W

I must have been distracted or my personal team of proofreaders were having serious lapses in precision.

It is always nice to have constant critics such as you infecting and inflicting your tired and repetitious viewpoints about everyone and everything.

Also, it is near impossible to properly proofread from a computer screen and this site does not have spellcheck.

Hardcopy is the way to go to proofread and the more times one reviews a submission you will always pick up something you "thought" had been corrected before.

There are probably things in this post that you will nitpick at but in the end WHO CARES?
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26/11/2008 16:36:28
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26/11/2008 16:53:43
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 27/11/2008 11:11:24
Vincent -W

Yeah, yeah, yeah, ad nauseam.

You want the last word, I gladly give it to you.

Events in Mumbai have rendered these trivial and tiresome discussions surperfluous.
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27/11/2008 11:29:31
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 27/11/2008 14:49:53
DS children are definitely NOT "tiresome" or "trivial" but at least one poster is.

Your "factual description" is a delusion in your mind only. Nobody else agrees with you.
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27/11/2008 15:04:50
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27/11/2008 22:19:36
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Incandescent,

27/05/2009 12:03:38
#26 Vincent-W

"On the other hand I have worked with many adults who have DS"

You told us before that you worked with disadvantaged kids. You must be very busy.
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fife runner,

27/05/2009 17:24:56
tell you what is real burden on taxpayers. people who become obese, drink excessively and make themselves ill.

 

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