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Published Date: 11 April 2009
THE Chinese authorities are expected to take action against imitation Scotch whisky by the end of year following talks with Alex Salmond in China yesterday.

The First Minister and representatives of the Scotch Whisky Association raised the issue of fake Scotch with the Chinese government.

They asked for Scotch whisky to be given special geographic protection in China. This would prevent manufacturer
s from selling whisky that was not made in Scotland as Scotch.

Mr Salmond said afterwards he was hopeful that substantial progress would be made on this issue by the end of the year.

The Scotch Whisky Association has been campaigning for increased protection in China for some time. The whisky market for Scotch is worth £44 million a year to Scottish distillers and it is one of the fastest-growing in the world.

However, producers have been alarmed by the number of imitation Scotch brands circulating in China. About 200 fake products have been found in the past two years alone.

The SWA applied for Geographical Indication of Origin status in 2007, which would require all products labelled as Scotch whisky to have come from Scotland and although some progress has been made since then, it has never been agreed by the Chinese government.

Yesterday Mr Salmond joined the fight against imitation Scotch whisky by asking for help from Wang Yong, the minister for quality supervision.

The First Minister said afterwards: "I am confident we can now look forward to rapid progress in securing Geographical Indication of Origin status for Scotch whisky in China."

He added: "The indications are that China will lead the global economy out of recession, and expanding international trade with such a major market as China is an important aspect of sustainable recovery.

"The opportunity for Scotch whisky exports to China is enormous, given its premium status and increases in disposable income among many millions of Chinese citizens, and securing better legal protection will establish a solid platform for growth."

Gavin Hewitt, the SWA's chief executive, welcomed the progress made, saying: "Today's meeting marks a significant milestone in the process, and I believe we can now look forward to achieving Geographical Indication of Origin for Scotch whisky in China soon.

"The Geographical Indication issue is an important one for premium products which are popular in world markets, such as Scotch whisky, and it was excellent to get access to the top minister and officials.

"We must maintain the momentum, and the SWA will be working with Scottish Government officials and the ambassador and his trade officials in China to close the deal."

Scottish Enterprise chief executive Jack Perry, who was also at the meeting, said: "The minister clearly understood the arguments about the need for Scotch to be registered as a Geographical Indication of Origin product in China.

"The Chinese government have a positive attitude, and the minister made it very clear that the priority given to this issue by the Scottish Government and the UK ambassador will expedite the process."





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  • Last Updated: 10 April 2009 9:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Whisky
 
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webwise,

Scotland 10/04/2009 22:44:00
"The SWA applied for Geographical Indication of Origin status in 2007, which would require all products labelled as Scotch whisky to have come from Scotland and although some progress has been made since then, it has never been agreed by the Chinese government."

Let's hope that Salmond can pull this one off, in these times Scottish industry need all the help they can get.

I am being serious when I say that Jim Murphy's lack of charm and charisma would not have helped in negotiations with the Chinese. Did he actually achieve anything when he was out there?
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webwise,

Scotland 10/04/2009 22:57:01
Actually, thinking about it, Jim Murphy is lucky the Chinese hadn't agreed to take action against 'fake Scotch' whilst HE was there !!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

11/04/2009 00:35:50
I hope that when Alex Salmond held his meeting with China’s Deputy Assistant Second Vice Foreign Minister, such matters were on the top of the agenda.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

11/04/2009 00:39:10
#4 - How much is Jack Perry paid to suck up to his boss?
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Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 11/04/2009 00:45:24
#7 Fifi - how much are you being paid to suck up to Hamish Macdonell?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

11/04/2009 00:56:25
Who is Hamish Macdonell? And does he need to be sucked up?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

11/04/2009 01:13:23
#10 - how much is Jack Perry's salary? I heard he gets paid a quarter of a million pounds a year - almost as much as Alex Salmond himself! No wonder he will write such a syrupy sycophantic letter bigging up his boss.

Jack Perry doesn't say that Mister Salmond wasn't able to be fitted into the busy schedule of the Chinese Foreign Minister, and was entertained - I am sure with great style - by a rather less exalted functionary.

I am sure they had tea from the same teapot as Jim Murphy enjoyed when he met the top banana, though.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 01:17:43

I do NOT see this happening, somewhere, someone, will be on the 'bandwagon', taking advantage of our proposal's off lunacy, in the 'super taxing' of our nectar.

As our oldest industry of Whisky Making, like our Banks start closing their doors, the fake imported Scotch Whisky, will come hence!

And who can blame these 'Pirates', our Salmond, has paved the way for this one!

Whisky is taxed too much already, this extra proposed 'Tax' is one of 'Ridiculous Nonsense', and one to which will have grave consequences!!

No more Scottish Whisky!, the Kilt is next in Line, followed by the Scottish Flag!

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 01:27:37


NEWS FLASH!!

'al qaeda' is brewing the 'Malt', faster than we can say,...

....'Jack the Lad'!

100 cargo ships are on there way to Scotland, with the Whisky!

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Brian Hill,

11/04/2009 01:27:58
What the Scotsman stable doesn't seem to realise is that by portraying Salmond's visit as meaningless it also knocks Scottish Business efforts out there too.

Brit Nats clearly in a panic. Few people are buying into their 'We must cling onto the union during these hard times. Only the union can save us'.

As it was the union who got us into this mess it's no wonder people aren't exactly falling over themselves to rush out and join pro unionist parties.....never mind vote for them.

Roll on June 4th....not forgetting the 23rd and 30th of April....local by elections. 30th particularly important, it's a former Labour seat in Bannockburn whereas the 23rd is an Independent seat in Inverness.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 11/04/2009 01:28:13
Brown has saved the world, Salmond is now saving the world from fake whisky.
Is there no end to the posturing of these two?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

11/04/2009 01:28:29
Traquair, what have you added that's constructive? At least I have pointed out that Jack Perry is a highly paid hireling, and that the story failed to point out that unlike Jim Murphy, Mister Salmond wasn't admitted to the presence of the Foreign Minister of China, but merely a deputy of some kind. So I've added to the sum total of human knowledge, a noble and distinguished thing to do, and you have compared someone you don't agree with politically to a small but loyal and friendly family pet dog.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

11/04/2009 01:33:26
#18 - who said Mister Salmond's visit was meaningless?

I am sure that some of the officials accompanying him will have made valuable contracts with their counterparts in the Beijing, Guangdong and Shanghai provincial administrations. I understand that there is particular scope for developing ties between educational institutions. This is vital and valuable work and all concerned deserve congratualations and encouragement for what they will have achieved.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 01:34:59

Traquir , Alba ~16,


"the most miserable troll"

Quite the opposite actually!, I find this Hilarious, in the sad sense, yet again we never look after ourselves.

All far by far too late to save our Whisky industry, the ones that proposed lunacy, made sure of that.

It is like actually being in the 'Muppet Show', hence one has to laugh!

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Fifi la Bonbon,

11/04/2009 01:36:07
and I look forward to the inevitable opera, to be commissioned from James MacMillan.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 11/04/2009 01:37:12
What will Brown and Salmond do about all the fake chinese food produced in the UK?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 01:49:51

Too much Tax, yet we Tax it over here again!


http://uk.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUKL1277347120080312

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subrosa,

11/04/2009 02:40:38
# 10 I blogged on the dreadful report yesterday by Carolynne whatsit. Such a piece of bias and quite insulting to the Chinese too as she certainly made it appear the minister just didn't turn up but sent a 'replacement'.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 03:24:20


"Scottish and Chinese stem cell experts sign landmark dea"

Yes good one!

One would like to ask, Can we realy make Scotch Whisky, out of "Stem Cells"?

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 03:28:31

Me thinks!,..'Kiss my Feet', it will not do you any good!

We have other things more important on our agenda, and you are not one of them!

And we fall for it!


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drunken proffet,

Tassy 11/04/2009 07:29:07
The only reason you have this problem is because the Chinese reckon that if you call it Scotch, the customer will decide it tastes better. Personally if they called it "Old Crianlarich Rotgut, 1995" The 1995 being the time of the day that they bottled it, I would drink it if it was cheap, uncontaminated by antifreeze, and a middle cut. Dump the methyl alcohol, the fusel oils, just take what is left and add interesting flavours. Yeh, I know I am a peasant, but a peasant that at present pays 18 Quid a bottle for Ballantynes. No the Chinese make cheap cotton socks for kids, how about cheap whisky for OAP's.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 11/04/2009 07:49:59
There is absolutely no chance of China taking action. Again, Salmond is wasting his (and more importantly, our)time.
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Uistman,

Scotland 11/04/2009 08:23:58
I do look forward to reading my newspaper on June5th 6th and 7th.
We will be free of these unionist trolls for a few days at least.
The Scotsman Journos will have their work cut out trying to be negative SNP when thy win all the Scottish Seats.
i am sure they can make it look like a Labour victory
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 08:37:20
Where is today’s anti-SNP story?

Surely the Hootsmon is not allowing its standards to slip?

Phone up Lard George and ask what his views are on Chinese whisky, he is bound to have tried the stuff.
Then run a story headlined “SNP slammed over fake whisky deal”

A leading Labour MSP yesterday slammed the SNP for allowing Alex Salmond’s name to be used on the label of fake whisky imported from China.
“Glen Salmond” is a 3 hour old distillation bottled in Beijing and features a picture of an Edinburgh tram on the label..................
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puskas,

East kilbride 11/04/2009 09:19:10
The PM's press and political advisor Damien McBride involved in smear campaigns direct from No10..

Well Hamish it seems with your style of reporting you must be inline for an OBE, MBE, or maybe a knighthood.

Along with many of the other rascals who attempt to discredit our Scottish Government led by a fine First Minister in Alex Salmond.

I warn them all you are running out of time for Brown to nominate you for your awards. This sleaze ridden Labour Government is on the way out in a big way..

Many of these e.mails from Downing street have entered the Scotsman through the unionists posters, with Hamish MacDonell about to throw the rattle out the pram leading the way. ?

Charles ... you are a devil.. LOL You are the most gullible of them all.. The others they are just plain daft.. None of you have anything to offer other than the smear campaign Direct from No10.

The prime Minister himself has said they are only juvenile pranks.. That is debatable LOL NOT.

Damien is an apt name for a close advisor to Brown ..

Traquir and others who post quite refreshing comment thats truthful and to the point, you enlighten the internet fraternity throughout this planet with facts..

You all progress the Independence argument in a powerful way.

Of course these unionist posters on sites like this ALSO have a benefit. In their own way they help enormously in the goal for an Independent Scotland
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buzzer,

Aberdeen 11/04/2009 09:23:17
Traquir Alba.

thank you for your dilligent research which has alerted me to the progress Alex Salmond has made. I dont mind who promotes Scotland but I am so grateful to posters like yourself who can fill in the blanks left by the Scotsman. Thank you
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2009 09:25:25
Dont let anything from China near your gob...everything is done on the cheap...chinese fags...whats in them I wonder?...chinese booze..ditto...if they can poison their own kids gawd knows what they'll happily do to ol' round eyes....
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Munguin,

11/04/2009 09:31:00
One minute Alec is being snubbed by the Chinese and the next he is actually achieving something for the Scotch whisky trade. I wish the Scotsman would make up its mind. What’s its readership now anyway? Does anyone still actually buy the paper issue? They want to watch if they ever moderate this site like he Herald do nobody will read it online either. There is a lot to be said for attrition and freedom of speech.

Maybe Gordon Brown will step in and prop Scotland’s National Newspaper up, all he would have to do is buy 20,000 copies, cheaper than the Home Secretary. He doesn’t actually have to read them either.
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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 09:51:21
Why aren't we being seen to support Inner Mongolia's right to become independent from China and being given back to the Mongolian nation?

Why aren't we being seen supporting Tibet's right to become independent from China and being given back to the Tibetan people?
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The Tin Man,

11/04/2009 09:59:16
If anyone has ever tried the 'High Commissioner' brand, you will notice that the acceptable standard for an official 'Scotch' is rather low. We need to make 'Scotch' at least drinkable, as well as distilled and bottled in Scotchland.
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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 10:01:37
Though it is a good thing that both Alex Salmond and Jim Murphy are helping the Scottish brand what are the chinese going to do apart from grabbing a couple of cases or shipments of Whisky now and again to stop a serious faking industry?

Have the Chinese made a dent in the faking industry so far?
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puskas,

East kilbride 11/04/2009 10:14:36
No50,
Spud Murphy helping, your having a laugh even some of the Celtic football websites are laughing at him....

Yes change may be slow but heading in the right direction when we can read of Labour MP's been ridiculed on football sites ... LOL

Hi Ewan.......... Was that juvenile submission direct from Damien McBride at No10. Surely you never made it up yourself.. ??? Admit it you never LOL.

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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 10:15:29
Is it not true that if we could make whisky that didn't make us stink we would have a better chance against vodka?
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bill-alba,

fife 11/04/2009 10:27:57
another success story for the SNP's Scottish government as for the vichy scot Murphy he got us a panda.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 10:32:54
49 The Tin Man,
“If anyone has ever tried the 'High Commissioner' brand, you will notice that the acceptable standard for an official 'Scotch' is rather low. “

That is a rather unkind, albeit accurate way to describe Spud Murphy.
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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 10:51:09
(#53) – (bill-alba) – Did you know that the Panda is the emblem of the Chinese people and they don’t just give them out to anyone?

Should you not be asking yourself why the Chinese presented the Panda through Mr Murphy rather than Mr Salmond?
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Don Roberto,

11/04/2009 10:59:09
Excellent move by the Scottish government, they'll be the toast of the Scottish Whisky industry.
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karin.m,

11/04/2009 11:04:28
here folks check this out

guido fawkes commenting on the today programme about those email smears by downing street "advisor".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7994000/7994609.stm

anyone know which sunday paper is printing the emails.
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Darien,

Panama 11/04/2009 11:09:18
#56 Ewan: "Should you not be asking yourself why the Chinese presented the Panda through Mr Murphy rather than Mr Salmond?"

Sir, Sir, I know, please sir. Is it because Scotland isnae a recognised nation? Like when in the last Olympics, Scotland wisnae allowed tae fly its flag? Is it because Britain is oor nation here in Scotland? And Scotland isnae really a nation at a'? Is that it, sir?
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Publius,

Girvan 11/04/2009 11:51:33
Some random questions:

(1) Should the government encourage exports of whisky which will encourage alcoholism abroad when it is trying to discourage alcoholism in Scotland? Isn't this a bit like UK tobacco companies which make most of their profits in the Far East and eastern Europe?
(2) How good is Chinese Scotch whisky? US computers made in China are just as good as those made in the USA. So 'Scotch' whisky distilled in China may be just as good as whisky distilled in Scotland?
(3) Is all Scotch whisky Scottish? If it is based on barley grown in England or France isn't it misleading to describe it as Scotch ... a bit like rearing cattle in England, bringing them to Scotland, slaughtering them and calling the result Scotch beef.
(4) Are all Islay single malts really Islay malts at all? Some are made from barley imported to Islay, aged in casks in Dumbarton and brought down to 40 per cent ABV for bottling with water from the mains in central Scotland.
(5) When is Tobermory distillery going to improve the Ledaig? My hangover is killing me.

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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 11:52:20
(#59) – (Darien) – If Scotland is an unrecognised nation who did the Chinese think they were inviting when asking Alex Salmond to visit?

Is it not the case that our flag wasn’t to fly at the last Olympics because Scotland isn’t an Olympic member as yet?

IS it not the case that both Scotland and Britain can be classed as nations but only Scotland can be classed as a country at this time?
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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 12:09:20
(#60) – (Union is Better) – Andy?

Is it not the case that until we can create an economy which is not subsidized either by Westminster or our own oil industry when independent we can ill afford not taking every opportunity to highlight any aspect which might bring our Scottish economy to a state which will make the country money?

Do people ever get caught out with your ironic posts?
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Darien,

Panama 11/04/2009 12:15:51
#63 Ewan: I expect nobody else will answer your questions, but I will.

"If Scotland is an unrecognised nation who did the Chinese think they were inviting when asking Alex Salmond to visit?"

I understand the Chinese thought Alex Salmond was Gordon Brown's 'boss man for Scottish region of England'. You may recall from the Olympic coverage that the Chinese have no word for the UK and simply call it 'England'. ergo, Scotland does not exist.

"Is it not the case that our flag wasn’t to fly at the last Olympics because Scotland isn’t an Olympic member as yet?"

No, it was because Scotland is not recognised as a nation by the Chinese (or by any other nation for that matter).

"IS it not the case that both Scotland and Britain can be classed as nations but only Scotland can be classed as a country at this time?"

Country or nation mean the same thing. The critical aspect is if the country/nation is recognised by other nations. Britain is recognised but Scotland is not recognised. As far as other nations aree concerned, Scotland does not exist.

Sorry to be a party pooper as I know that you and other British unionists/nationalists do genuinely (albeit mistakenly) think that Scotland exists. It will take independence for Scotland to exist as a nation, again.


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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 13:27:36
(#65) - (Darien) - Su ge lan?
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Darien,

Panama 11/04/2009 13:55:09
#68 Ewan: Better wi' the real McCoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK6LkpfZ94s&feature=related
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FerryPort,

11/04/2009 13:56:19
China hasn't presented murphy with a panada or anything else.

This link is an Edinburgh Zoo press release June 2008

Edinburgh Zoo who has done all the work

http://www.edinburghzoo.org.uk/news-and-events/news/GiantPandas/
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FerryPort,

11/04/2009 14:00:27
So the question still remains.

What did murhy set out to achieve on his oriental swagger?
And what successes did he bring back???
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FerryPort,

11/04/2009 14:18:20
Darien, pananma

Enjoyed the link, thanks!
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WL,

livingston 11/04/2009 14:25:09
Next on the agenda for the First Minister should be banning all fake Edinburgh Crystal.
According to Wikipedia all manufacturing is carried out overseas since the company was bought by Waterford Wedgwood in 2007.
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WL,

livingston 11/04/2009 14:34:49
#65
Britain, Great or not so great, is NOT recognised by any other nation.
What is recognised is the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND (UKGBNI).
There can not be a "British" team at the Olympics.
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Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 11/04/2009 15:01:30
Talking of Scotland as a nonentity I noticed that someone above mentioned "Su-ge-lan", the Chinese name for Scotland. I have yet to meet a Chinese person who does not know what "Su-ge-lan" means. I have however met far too many French people who think that Scotland is an English province where people wear "la Jupe Écossaise" (the Scottish skirt.)As for Scotch, the Murree Distillery in Rawalpindi, (Pakistan) still turns out a light but decent Scotch despite local disaproval; a hangover from the British Raj.
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Darien,

Panama 11/04/2009 15:43:43
#74 WL: "What is recognised is the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND (UKGBNI)."

OK, so technically its the oddly named UKofGB&NI. And your point is?

"There can not be a "British" team at the Olympics"

Oh yes there can. According to Direct Gov no less, in the Olympics the UK is represented by the 'Great Britain Olympic Team'. Sorry, no mention of NI this time.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Hl1/Help/YourQuestions/DG_10015114
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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 21:28:59
(#61) – (Baggy Troosers) – Though I am sure you might be right when you say the Scottish government are trying to help Scottish industry and the Scottish secretary of state for Scotland went to China two or so weeks before Alex Salmond and the people might visit the panda and say AWWWE, but as a symbol of the Chinese people do you imagine it to be a good idea for those who wish to do business with the Chinese and the one they clearly wish to do business with to insult the Chinese by turning down their kind gift to our zoo?
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Ewan Randall,

11/04/2009 21:32:52
(#65) – (Darien) – If you say that Scotland is not a nation and it can only be so in the mind does that mean the Scottish Government should be run by a party known as the Scottish National Party?

Who says that I am a British Unionist?

Are you smart enough to prove what you think might be the case?
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/04/2009 21:45:58
What has happened guys? I fly off to mallorca for a couple of weeks, i make a quick spot check and find the forum disintegrating.
So disappointing.
Tonight i found a pub with wifi. I can therefore impart my supreme wisdom only briefly. I am still trying to get so grips with Salmond's Chinese snub.

Who would have believed it?
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/04/2009 21:48:25
A quick check shows me that Sm753 is still running rings sound wardog and Lost Angeles.

Some things never change.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/04/2009 21:53:43
It sounds like Jim Murphy is pressing all the right buttons in China whilst Salmond gets Jilted at the alter once again.

The SNP, always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/04/2009 21:55:24
Ahem, 'altar' of course.
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FerryPort,

11/04/2009 21:56:22
R-T-F before your wrist tag with your room number fades can you tell me what murph brought home from china?

Scotch mist?
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bluehead,

edinburgh 11/04/2009 22:00:35
everytime I read of anything Chinese I am reminded of the old Chinese proverb ""Confucius say no such thing as rape,woman run faster with skirts up than man with trouser down""now that is what one could call intelligence
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RufusT-Firefly,

11/04/2009 22:17:29
Ferryport, stop being so critical of Mr Murphy. At least he has Scotland's interests at heart, unlike Salmond (the man that widescreen tvs were invented for).
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Brian Hill,

11/04/2009 23:52:09
I've just read through Glen Campbell's

'Charting Salmond's visit to China'

There was as much about Murphy in it as Salmond and Campbell certainly stressed the point that Murphy got see Government Ministers who were far more important than the ones Salmond got see etc etc

But actually most of the piece seemed to be about Campbell stuffing his face with Peking Duck and the extremely aptly named DUMPLINGS!

The piece should have been entitled:

'Labour/Unionist propaganda piece 550'

Obviously PRO London Controlled Labour British Unionists party

Obviously ANTI Scottish National Independence Party which just happens to be the GOVERNMENT OF SCOTLAND!!!

How do you like them apples Campbell? Still a bit too sour for you are they? Get used to them, they are the future and boy do they taste sweet to us!!!
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Brian Hill,

11/04/2009 23:55:32
#90 Rufus T: ...unlike Salmond (the man that widescreen tvs were invented for).

Another genuinely funny swat at AS from Rufus. Naughty but harmless. Certainly made me laugh, but not enough to suddenly start voting for the London Controlled Labour Party.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2009 21:49:46
88...Aye well he wis a stupid féck fir assuming that all wimmin wear skirts...thirs probably mair wear troosers noo thin those that wear "skirts"...fécksake...
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

13/04/2009 01:08:11
Hi Rufus,

I missed your intellect, great sense of humour and course your wisdom......on all your posts. I have missed laughing at you daily and admit I was pleased you returned.

I hope you had a good holiday and some rest. You will have needed it. To come online and post pro unionist puppetry p!sh everyday must tire even the most zealous cyber brit.

I think you just enjoy being ridiculed.


 

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